What crimes would warrant the death penalty ?

[northernladuk]

Why should they be treated differently to any other murderers?

Well I was just throwing that in as people were mentioning a lot of incorrect judgements and Vetran mentioned situations where it was irrefutable. Also food for discussion is their idealogy. They'd do it again, they are effectively at war with the state so thought it was an interesting twist to your standard murderer.

And I think they should be treated differently to other murderers as it happens. Again because of their ideology and they way they set out to kill regardless. They'd undoubtedly do it again so pose a different threat to other types of murderers. Just thought it was an interesting case to think about.

[Lockhouse]

I know you lot have turned into a load of lefty whingers but if I've got a mad animal I want it put down painlessly. It's the caring thing to do.

Terrorism, treason, murder whilst committing another crime, killing of a public servant in the course of their duty. Anything above and beyond normal murder that affects society as a whole. Put these animals out of their misery. Non-public, non-announced, painless chemical execution. Vets do it every day. Cremate and put the ashes out at sea.

Whilst we're at it, no time off for good behaviour, life meaning life and a mandatory minimum two years for going equipped, then five for a second offence. Three strikes for anything and it's a twenty stretch. Also let's have some chain gangs.

[SueEllen]

I know you lot have turned into a load of lefty whingers but if I've got a mad animal I want it put down painlessly. It's the caring thing to do.

Terrorism, treason, murder whilst committing another crime, killing of a public servant in the course of their duty. Anything above and beyond normal murder that affects society as a whole. Put these animals out of their misery. Non-public, non-announced, painless chemical execution. Vets do it every day. Cremate and put the ashes out at sea.

Whilst we're at it, no time off for good behaviour, life meaning life and a mandatory minimum two years for going equipped, then five for a second offence. Three strikes for anything and it's a twenty stretch. Also let's have some chain gangs.

My point about Guantanamo Bay is that imprisonment without hope of release is more torturous than the death penalty. Also in the US being on death row for years and years is torture. If you have the death penalty then people will spend years on death row as there have to be checks in place to prove that there isn't a chance that they didn't do it.

[Lockhouse]

My point about Guantanamo Bay is that imprisonment without hope of release is more torturous than the death penalty.

It's not about suffering though, it's about being humane.

If you have the death penalty then people will spend years on death row as there have to be checks in place to prove that there isn't a chance that they didn't do it.

This isn't humane either. I would suggest any appeal to be heard within twelve months or sentence automatically commuted to life imprisonment. One appeal only.

[DoctorStrangelove]

In the UK it was 3 weeks Sundays from sentence to the drop.

The speed of the process, even with two lives at stake, was not unusual. A delay covering three Sundays between sentencing and execution was all the law stipulated.

"The three Sundays rule dated back to the Victorian era," explains Steve Fielding, a criminologist and author of more than 20 books on executions.

"It was felt to allow enough time for any new evidence to come to light, the convict to make his peace with his or her God and also to not prolong the inevitable wait to die."

No point in hanging around in these things.

Of course things were slightly different in the ex Raj where I recall one poor sod being sentenced to 15 years and death.

He served the 15 years & then they hanged him.

[SueEllen]

It's not about suffering though, it's about being humane.


This isn't humane either. I would suggest any appeal to be heard within twelve months or sentence automatically commuted to life imprisonment. One appeal only.

Like this? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-63437208

Maurice Hastings served more than 38 years in state prison for the 1983 murder of Roberta Wydermyer in California and two attempted murders.

But new DNA evidence instead pointed to another man who died in prison in 2020.
Now 69, Mr Hastings has been released from prison after his 1988 conviction was vacated on 20 October.

LA County District Attorney George Gascón described his conviction as a "terrible injustice".

"The justice system is not perfect, and when we learn of new evidence which causes us to lose confidence in a conviction, it is our obligation to act swiftly," he added in a statement.

or this? https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/news/ge...der-conviction

On December 20, 2021, one month after Judge Kristina Cook Graham granted Inman a new trial based on evidence that the prosecution had unconstitutionally suppressed multiple police records and physical evidence that another man had committed the killing

or this? https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/10/u...ent/index.html

“Despite the circumstances, which strongly indicated that Bowling accidentally shot himself in the head, at the urging of Bowling’s family members, police later began investigating the death as a homicide,” according to a motion filed by Clark’s attorneys, requesting a new trial.

Granted these are US cases but the UK currently has it's own problems with policing and corruption.

[Lockhouse]

Like this? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-63437208

or this? https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/news/ge...der-conviction

or this? https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/10/u...ent/index.html

Granted these are US cases but the UK currently has it's own problems with policing and corruption.

The first two were cleared because of DNA which is now routine, the third is a toss-up whether it would actually be a death penalty offence. Not bothered by them or by the lackadaisical US justice system. I'm not advocating the death sentence for "routine" murder.

With respect to the UK policing and corruption issues, that's a whole different can of worms but is symptomatic of society as a whole.

[d000hg]

sticking their heads back on and compensating the families is more expensive/impossible.

How much would compensation typically run to, as compared to the costs for 4-5 decades imprisonment?

I know you lot have turned into a load of lefty whingers but if I've got a mad animal I want it put down painlessly. It's the caring thing to do.

Terrorism, treason, murder whilst committing another crime, killing of a public servant in the course of their duty. Anything above and beyond normal murder that affects society as a whole. Put these animals out of their misery. Non-public, non-announced, painless chemical execution. Vets do it every day. Cremate and put the ashes out at sea.

Totally bad comparison. Vets euthanise animals who are in pain without chance of help. The DP is to protect society, not be caring to the criminals.
If we kill a criminal, it should be because a)they pose a lifelong risk to others b)their crime is particularly depraved and they face no possibility of ever being released.

Whilst we're at it, no time off for good behaviour, life meaning life and a mandatory minimum two years for going equipped, then five for a second offence. Three strikes for anything and it's a twenty stretch. Also let's have some chain gangs.

If someone is rehabilitated and changed so that they no longer pose a threat, why keep them incarcerated? Prisonment is not revenge on the criminals.
How you behave should affect how you're treated IMO - sentences could be lengthened or shortened.

[Zigenare]

There's no place for state sanctioned murder in any right thinking society.

[vetran]

Sadly even the most enlightened countries see about a 50% recidivism rate by 5 years. Some do have a lower rates.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...tes-by-country