Our Father\Mother\Parent (delete as appropiate) who art in heaven?

[northernladuk]

Nah. I've read some of these arguments and they are simply trying to fit it into an agenda. It's all "well an obvious reading clearly shows X, but if you try really hard you can get to the point of a shaky argument built on a shaky argument built on a very specific interpretation of one word in one verse that supports what you want, as long as you don't read the rest of the book and stick your fingers in your ears. A bit like some people can find that the Bible says America is the chosen nation... no, it doesn't.

If you think the bible itself is flaky and self - contradictory as it stands traditionally, why would you agree an even more flaky interpretation - which is torturous to the casual observer - is worth listening to? That's just bunk upon bunk. Far easier to say the bible says what it says, and say "it's bunk" in the first place.

Indeed. When the immaculate conception is a fundamental part of the bible you've got to think there is going to be a lot more up for debate, and no one is going to win.

[Eirikur]

I think in the interests of fairness, while God remains male, Satan should be redesignated female.

Jesus Trans?

[northernladuk]

Jesus Trans?

Well he/she/they did have long girly hair (apparently).

[NotAllThere]

Jesus Trans?

Something like this perhaps. https://www.joe.co.uk/entertainment/...e-judas-375546

[Gibbon]

Jesus Trans?

Baptistry of Neon - Apostles mosaic - Baptistery of Neon - Wikipedia
Arian Baptistry ceiling mosaic - Ravenna - Arian Baptistery - Wikipedia

Well these very early depictions of Christ show a androgynous figure that could well be trans.

[SueEllen]

Something like this perhaps. https://www.joe.co.uk/entertainment/...e-judas-375546

The real question is was the production any good?

It's a piece of theatre like pantos, and pantos gender bend.

[vetran]

Baptistry of Neon - Apostles mosaic - Baptistery of Neon - Wikipedia
Arian Baptistry ceiling mosaic - Ravenna - Arian Baptistery - Wikipedia

Well these very early depictions of Christ show a androgynous figure that could well be trans.

Still white though surely he would be light brown (olive) being Jewish brought up in the area?

[vetran]

The real question is was the production any good?

It's a piece of theatre like pantos, and pantos gender bend.

Totally agree if the production is still great with the cast trying to make a point. I enjoyed some of the songs in six but there is plenty of artistic license going on.

to be fair Jesus Christ Superstar has been bleeding edge for years. Jason Donovan had the lead he is hardly rufti tufti.

[xoggoth]

Look at Leonardo's painting and John looks very trans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Supper_(Leonardo)

PS And only Judas looks dark skinned. Racist!

[vetran]

I was having a discussion with a friend who is of recent African extraction, religion was mentioned and he described Christianity as "the white mans god" and I went "what?" it was across Africa 450 years before Europe