30p to make a cooked meal - Tory Hypocrisy

[vetran]

Being poor and/or having a challenging existence are not a consequence of lifestyle choice.

Many people are trapped in circumstances through no fault of their own.

Indeed but very many could escape that existence with effort. That is what we should encourage not say they deserve to smoke & drink because their life is hopeless.

It is easily possible to live on a pound a meal, its difficult but possible to survive on 30p a meal. Being able to will make their money go further and ensure their children are fed. We are in for a very rocky ride and all of us will be worse off whatever we do.

It is very possible to retrain & develop yourself with very little expenditure, I know people who are doing it and have done it.

Its possible to become a truck driver, Driving instructor, Plasterer, Carpenter,Plumber, Electrician with minimal investment.

[NotAllThere]

Salted butter and dash of pepper is nice on toast but, despite what TheDude says, I don't think it's a meal.

It is for him. it's all he knows how to cook.

No not everyone does, but most in urban areas do. Living in the arse end of nowhere is a lifestyle choice.

Unless that's where the council house you of course.

[vetran]

Unless that's where the council house you of course.

You understand that the prospective tenant chooses the dwellings they apply for?

https://www.gov.uk/council-housing

It is not like evacuation in WWII.

You could of course get free delivery from Iceland or pay a fee for delivery that is less than the bus fare.

People learning to feed themselves properly for as little as possible is not offensive just good sense.

[TheDude]

You understand that the prospective tenant chooses the dwellings they apply for?

https://www.gov.uk/council-housing

It is not like evacuation in WWII.

You could of course get free delivery from Iceland or pay a fee for delivery that is less than the bus fare.

People learning to feed themselves properly for as little as possible is not offensive just good sense.

You seem absolutely convinced that people can improve their existence with just a little bit of hard work and common sense.

[vetran]

You seem absolutely convinced that people can improve their existence with just a little bit of hard work and common sense.

And you don't?

As a contractor what do you sell? What makes you worth the money?

For me it was identifying opportunities and retraining constantly, there isn't much call for fixing TVs nowadays or any of the other dying industries I worked in. When I left school half the technologies and methods I am an expert in now did not exist.

I left school with 4 GCSEs many of my friends did the same or with less. Plenty of them are higher rate tax payers and have been for years (obviously the trade ones don't bother with tax) a few of them had sprogs in their teens and or divorces, some have had addiction problems.

My mate that worked in a shop and hated it (we swapped scummy general public stories from my retail & catering experience) retrained as a driving instructor. Another a truck driver, one learnt to drive trucks in the army, lots of people learning trades on site etc.

What we should be doing is providing training and support to help people develop themselves rather than leaving them on the scrap heap.

Ask people with decent mid level jobs how they got them and there is normally a turning point where someone believed in them and supported them. Those without hope have frequently been abandoned by society.

There was a heartbreaking moment in Benefit street where the daughter of lifetime doleys had got a job and was so excited to be doing something worthwhile then her mother undermined her and said she didn't need a job just keep on claiming.

[SueEllen]

You understand that the prospective tenant chooses the dwellings they apply for?

https://www.gov.uk/council-housing

It is not like evacuation in WWII.

You could of course get free delivery from Iceland or pay a fee for delivery that is less than the bus fare.

People learning to feed themselves properly for as little as possible is not offensive just good sense.

You make so many assumptions it's funny.

[d000hg]

You understand that the prospective tenant chooses the dwellings they apply for?

And that there is a lot of competition for the better areas. Pretty stressful, getting a CH.

It's hard to find somewhere not in range for Tesco (or similar) delivery these days which is certainly a boon for those who previously relied on the extortionate village shop but you can buy much cheaper from a grocer and many, many CH are not in a town with access. And online shopping relies on doing your 'big shop'. As a former student, the savings you can get if you have access to the reduced aisle can be remarkable.

[d000hg]

And you don't?

How do you propose a single mum of 4 finds the additional time to learn these skills? It's a (often losing) battle just to stay afloat and maintain the status quo. If you are fortunate to have been taught this stuff you are in a better position but you do not easily have the mental or economic resources to buy a load of ingredients to "try cooking".

The village we're in being pretty deprived, I see how common it is that people don't have a proper oven or a fridge to store a week's shopping delivery. If you get a CH you have to provide your own carpets, let alone white goods. We have schemes locally to help set people up (not sure if this is the same nationwide) but you might be waiting weeks.

Our church recently helped someone out because it turned out they had not been able to cook food for several months - the landlord wouldn't fix the oven or it had been stolen or something, and they hadn't wanted to tell anyone. The way those at the very bottom of the system are treated is really pretty awful. Another family went 2 months without functioning heating because they couldn't get the landlord to sort it and they had no idea what to do, so they just accepted it - and this wasn't even that notable to them.

[vetran]

How do you propose a single mum of 4 finds the additional time to learn these skills? It's a (often losing) battle just to stay afloat and maintain the status quo. If you are fortunate to have been taught this stuff you are in a better position but you do not easily have the mental or economic resources to buy a load of ingredients to "try cooking".

The village we're in being pretty deprived, I see how common it is that people don't have a proper oven or a fridge to store a week's shopping delivery. If you get a CH you have to provide your own carpets, let alone white goods. We have schemes locally to help set people up (not sure if this is the same nationwide) but you might be waiting weeks.

Our church recently helped someone out because it turned out they had not been able to cook food for several months - the landlord wouldn't fix the oven or it had been stolen or something, and they hadn't wanted to tell anyone. The way those at the very bottom of the system are treated is really pretty awful. Another family went 2 months without functioning heating because they couldn't get the landlord to sort it and they had no idea what to do, so they just accepted it - and this wasn't even that notable to them.

Well our friend who has 4 kids by different fathers was told that her benefits were going to be cut when the youngest hit 5, so she got a job as a TA which maintained her benefits. She then with the support of her employer has started an apprenticeship to do a degree. All the kids are still breathing and she isn't turning tricks.

[vetran]

And that there is a lot of competition for the better areas. Pretty stressful, getting a CH.

It's hard to find somewhere not in range for Tesco (or similar) delivery these days which is certainly a boon for those who previously relied on the extortionate village shop but you can buy much cheaper from a grocer and many, many CH are not in a town with access. And online shopping relies on doing your 'big shop'. As a former student, the savings you can get if you have access to the reduced aisle can be remarkable.

There is a lot of competition for social housing because all governments have not built enough to serve the rising population or replace those sold off, something our current government in their stupidity want to expand. But you are not forced to live anywhere.

Yes you can buy cheaper on reduced but you can buy better on a budget if you go vegetarian.