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    DOOM: energy cap again

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61562657... up and up it goes, when it'll stop nobody knows.
    The boss of the UK's energy regulator has warned that the energy price cap is expected to rise to around £2,800 in October.

    Jonathan Brearley told MPs that the price cap, now at £1,971, would increase by nearly £1,000, due to continued volatility in the gas market.
    So up by 50%, after it went up by 50% already?
    Originally posted by MaryPoppins
    I'd still not breastfeed a nazi
    Originally posted by vetran
    Urine is quite nourishing

    #2
    They want all the poor people - ok 50% of the population - to sit in the dark and cold come winter. It's how we will achieve the UK's Net Zero targets.
    "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

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      #3
      It is making solar/heat-pumps start to seem a bit more attractive, even without any incentives/grants. Our house is a leaky sieve but we had previously calculated any heat efficiency improvement costs would take decades to recoup. Material price rises not withstanding, that might be quite different now.

      Or we might just live in a single room and burn things. Although that's not too different to last winter.
      Originally posted by MaryPoppins
      I'd still not breastfeed a nazi
      Originally posted by vetran
      Urine is quite nourishing

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        #4
        Originally posted by d000hg View Post

        Or we might just live in a single room and burn things. Although that's not too different to last winter.
        Oh preparing for very old age...
        "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

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          #5
          Originally posted by d000hg View Post
          It is making solar/heat-pumps start to seem a bit more attractive, even without any incentives/grants. Our house is a leaky sieve but we had previously calculated any heat efficiency improvement costs would take decades to recoup. Material price rises not withstanding, that might be quite different now.

          Or we might just live in a single room and burn things. Although that's not too different to last winter.
          my 20m rectangular shed has 50mm of insulation all sides, if I upgraded the standar poor quality windows & door it would probably be zero cost to heat.

          My house is a reasonable size 4 bed and fairly cheap to heat thanks to lots of insulation.

          Its entirely possible to heat cheaply if you plan.
          "If you didn't do anything that wasn't good for you it would be a very dull life. What are you gonna do? Everything that is pleasant in life is dangerous."

          I want to see the hand of history on his collar.

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            #6
            Originally posted by vetran View Post

            my 20m rectangular shed has 50mm of insulation all sides, if I upgraded the standar poor quality windows & door it would probably be zero cost to heat.

            My house is a reasonable size 4 bed and fairly cheap to heat thanks to lots of insulation.

            Its entirely possible to heat cheaply if you plan.
            Like I said we've done the sums.

            Since we have non-cavity walls and no underfloor insulation, insulating requires each room to be totally redecorated after studding out the walls and every window be replaced. Work out how much that would cost for your house and divide it by your heating bill. Then increase it since my house is bigger than yours.
            One might consider external insulation but the price for that is equally high. Bringing your heating bills down in a period property is, at least was, not cost effective in many cases. We know a couple in their 60s in a similar position who have carefully costed all this up and reluctantly concluded they will never get the money back even if they had it to spend, since this is the house they plan to die in.
            Originally posted by MaryPoppins
            I'd still not breastfeed a nazi
            Originally posted by vetran
            Urine is quite nourishing

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              #7
              Originally posted by vetran View Post

              my 20m rectangular shed has 50mm of insulation all sides, if I upgraded the standar poor quality windows & door it would probably be zero cost to heat.

              My house is a reasonable size 4 bed and fairly cheap to heat thanks to lots of insulation.

              Its entirely possible to heat cheaply if you can afford it.
              FTFY

              Increases in domestic energy prices impact the poorest disproportionately. A family of 4 in a three bed house with low income jobs has the same heating costs as a family of 4 with two well paid jobs earning more than the national average. In fact heating costs for those on low incomes are likely to be higher as they are less able to afford to insulate their homes to modern standards or may rely on reluctant landlords to do it for them.

              If costs increase 50% those on low incomes are less able to absorb those costs than those on a higher income but are paying the same amount.
              Last edited by DaveB; 24 May 2022, 15:03.
              "Being nice costs nothing and sometimes gets you extra bacon" - Pondlife.

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                #8
                Originally posted by DaveB View Post

                FTFY

                Increases in domestic energy prices impact the poorest disproportionately. A family of 4 in a three bed house with low income jobs has the same heating costs as a family of 4 with two well paid jobs earning more than the national average. In fact heating costs for those on low incomes are likely to be higher as they are less able to afford to insulate their homes to modern standards or may rely on reluctant landlords to do it for them.

                If costs increase 50% those on low incomes are less able to absorb those costs than those on a higher income but are paying the same amount.
                you are missing the point, what we should do and I have recommended for years is insulate properties and reduce heating costs. Much of that can be government funded.

                if we use less energy we need to import & generate less.
                "If you didn't do anything that wasn't good for you it would be a very dull life. What are you gonna do? Everything that is pleasant in life is dangerous."

                I want to see the hand of history on his collar.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by vetran View Post

                  you are missing the point, what we should do and I have recommended for years is insulate properties and reduce heating costs. Much of that can be government funded.

                  if we use less energy we need to import & generate less.
                  You're one of those Insulate Britain lot aren't you?

                  We must consume more to keep the government and shareholders happy, and just be glad that Michael Foot isn't running the country or we'd all be far worse off...
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by vetran View Post

                    you are missing the point, what we should do and I have recommended for years is insulate properties and reduce heating costs. Much of that can be government funded.

                    if we use less energy we need to import & generate less.
                    Can be but isn't.
                    "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

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