Lying to parliament a resigning matter!

[AtW]

"Lying to parliament a resigning matter, says Raab, amid claims PM misled MPs

Justice secretary says allegations that Boris Johnson lied about No 10 lockdown party are ‘nonsense’"

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-boris-johnson

Boris did not resign, therefore he did not lie...

And why is it only lying to Parliement a resigning matter, not just lying whilst pursueing political careers?

In every other walk of life it's called fraud and is a criminal offense

[ladymuck]

Yeah I heard that interview this morning and I do believe the charge of 'leading the witness' applies here.

He was asked to comment on a "hypothetical situation" which was immediately applied to the assumption that Boris has lied to parliament (because we all know that Cummings tells the whole truth and nothing but the truth).

Fraud is a very specific offence, which many people get wrong, so you can't go around saying that all lies are fraud.

Misleading parliament, rather than lying, is also a specific thing. You can lie but you cannot mislead and knowing the difference is key to survival in the Commons. To the average idiot presenting the Today programme, there is no difference and that's where they went wrong in that interview.

[malvolio]

Yeah I heard that interview this morning and I do believe the charge of 'leading the witness' applies here.

He was asked to comment on a "hypothetical situation" which was immediately applied to the assumption that Boris has lied to parliament (because we all know that Cummings tells the whole truth and nothing but the truth).

Fraud is a very specific offence, which many people get wrong, so you can't go around saying that all lies are fraud.

Misleading parliament, rather than lying, is also a specific thing. You can lie but you cannot mislead and knowing the difference is key to survival in the Commons. To the average idiot presenting the Today programme, there is no difference and that's where they went wrong in that interview.

A further caveat is that if you discover that have told a lie to Parliament you should immediately correct that statement and apologise. To date nothing other than Cummings' blathering has made that necessary. (Incidentally I don't remember the Blair creature doing that over Iraq's WMDs...)

I'm also not impressed by Cummings' assertion that he has more material relating to No 10 that will be revealed in due course. If it's that critical to the country, as opposed to his personal hate for BoJo, then it should be out there now. Of course, that would mean he's have to prove it to be accurate.

[OwlHoot]

He was asked to comment on a "hypothetical situation" ..

If I was a politician in a public interview like that I would point out that the situation was hypothetical (if the interviewer hadn't explicitly stated that) and never ever comment on it, because if contentious it would be sure to be mysteriously linked, or "promoted" in itself, to a current or planned situation! It's the same as if one was being interviewed by the police - One is never obliged to comment on a situation that hasn't actually happened. You're just potentially incriminating yourself for nothing.

[AtW]

Fraud is a very specific offence, which many people get wrong, so you can't go around saying that all lies are fraud.

Fraud is obtaining money (or equivalent) by deception - Boris (and 100% of other MPs) lied to get elected - obtained paid position on the basis of their lies, very nice pension entitlement etc, that's clear fraud and 100% of them should be doing time in jail.

In the meantime the country can be taken care by honest professionals like meself...

[ladymuck]

If I was a politician in a public interview like that I would point out that the situation was hypothetical (if the interviewer hadn't explicitly stated that) and never ever comment on it, because if contentious it would be sure to be mysteriously linked, or "promoted" in itself, to a current or planned situation! It's the same as if one was being interviewed by the police - One is never obliged to comment on a situation that hasn't actually happened. You're just potentially incriminating yourself for nothing.

I did think he was an idiot for responding to the "hypothetical situation" as you could totally see where it would lead

[d000hg]

I'm also not impressed by Cummings' assertion that he has more material relating to No 10 that will be revealed in due course. If it's that critical to the country, as opposed to his personal hate for BoJo, then it should be out there now. Of course, that would mean he's have to prove it to be accurate.

Wouldn't it be breaking all kinds of secrecy laws if DC had retained emails and so on on his personal devices after leaving? There was talk that people were going to get in big trouble for the leaked footage of Hancock, though I'm not sure that ever happened; Joe Public will talk about "public interest" and "cover ups" but if you leak sensitive data this can be a big deal.

[OwlHoot]

"Lying to parliament a resigning matter, says Raab, amid claims PM misled MPs

Justice secretary says allegations that Boris Johnson lied about No 10 lockdown party are ‘nonsense’"

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-boris-johnson

Boris did not resign, therefore he did not lie... ..

So all birds are black, because all crows are black, and crows are birds. Glad that's that cleared up

[SueEllen]

So all birds are black, because all crows are black, and crows are birds. Glad that's that cleared up

With Boris Johnson it is -

Boris often tells lies when he talks, so when he opens his mouth to talk he is lying.

[northernladuk]

With Boris Johnson it is -

Boris often tells lies when he talks, so when he opens his mouth to talk he is lying.

How is that different to every politician since the dawn of time though?