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So, anyone watch the F1 yesterday?

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    #71
    Another key point which is somewhat lost is that there were lapped cars between Lewis (1st) and Max (2nd) but also between Max and the Ferrari of Sainz (3rd). The former were told to get out of the way but not the latter. If this was not the case it's entirely possible that Sainz could have overtaken Max, or tussled with him, preventing his easy pass on Lewis.

    Effectively the FIA set things up so we were guaranteed a "final lap shootout" between Lewis and Max with all other cars kept out of the picture so they couldn't spoil it. Except it wasn't a final lap shootout, because of the tyre difference - new viewers might have thought it was very exciting to see them 'fight' the last lap but everyone who knows the sport knew Max would easily overtake unless Lewis crashed into him.
    Originally posted by MaryPoppins
    I'd still not breastfeed a nazi
    Originally posted by vetran
    Urine is quite nourishing

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      #72
      Originally posted by TheDude View Post
      Maybe this isn't the best forum to complain about the perceived tax efficiencies of others?
      Did you ask BrilloPad about it?

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        #73
        Originally posted by d000hg View Post
        Another key point which is somewhat lost is that there were lapped cars between Lewis (1st) and Max (2nd) but also between Max and the Ferrari of Sainz (3rd). The former were told to get out of the way but not the latter. If this was not the case it's entirely possible that Sainz could have overtaken Max, or tussled with him, preventing his easy pass on Lewis.

        Effectively the FIA set things up so we were guaranteed a "final lap shootout" between Lewis and Max with all other cars kept out of the picture so they couldn't spoil it. Except it wasn't a final lap shootout, because of the tyre difference - new viewers might have thought it was very exciting to see them 'fight' the last lap but everyone who knows the sport knew Max would easily overtake unless Lewis crashed into him.
        As I have said I'm not an F1 aficionado and not really a 'fan' as a casual observer and just looking for something to watch out of interest (I kind of used to like F1) the end spectacle was not exciting or fulfilling which is a shame really as it means I simply won't bother with it again.

        Had Lewis won behind the safety car at least I would have thought it was a good outcome.

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          #74
          Originally posted by GregRickshaw View Post
          Had Lewis won behind the safety car at least I would have thought it was a good outcome.
          Or for that matter if Max hadn't come in for new tyres and still managed to pass Lewis on the last lap
          Originally posted by MaryPoppins
          I'd still not breastfeed a nazi
          Originally posted by vetran
          Urine is quite nourishing

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            #75
            Originally posted by d000hg View Post
            Or for that matter if Max hadn't come in for new tyres and still managed to pass Lewis on the last lap
            Or if MV had been gaining on LH by 2 seconds a lap, and there was only 5 laps left so the 10 second gap was feasible to close. But the situation was that MV was never going to close the gap, bit FIA closed it for him.

            I'm not an F1 fan usually, not seen it in decades. Won't be watching again for another few decades after that spectacle.
            I am what I drink, and I'm a bitter man

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              #76
              Originally posted by d000hg View Post
              Or for that matter if Max hadn't come in for new tyres and still managed to pass Lewis on the last lap
              Or if Lewis had stopped and changed tyres, meaning Max would have stayed out, and then the two would have had a race to the end...

              Point is - and something that may well come up in later discussions - is that Sainz in third in the Ferrari could probably have challenged Max over that lap if he didn't have lapped cars in the way. That, as much as the arbitrary change of mind by Masi, is the real argument. You're not supposed to favour one outcome over another.
              Blog? What blog...?

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                #77
                In some ways Lewis has come out on top, because he's shown

                If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster

                And treat those two impostors just the same;
                (Kipling)

                Which is a greater achievement than any shiny bangles.
                But I discovered nothing else but depraved, excessive superstition. Pliny the younger

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                  #78
                  Originally posted by Gibbon View Post
                  In some ways Lewis has come out on top, because he's shown

                  If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster

                  And treat those two impostors just the same;
                  (Kipling)

                  Which is a greater achievement than any shiny bangles.
                  Plus he just got knighted, which must be surreal.
                  Originally posted by MaryPoppins
                  I'd still not breastfeed a nazi
                  Originally posted by vetran
                  Urine is quite nourishing

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                    #79
                    Originally posted by Gibbon View Post
                    In some ways Lewis has come out on top, because he's shown

                    If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster

                    And treat those two impostors just the same;
                    (Kipling)

                    Which is a greater achievement than any shiny bangles.
                    Agreed. He handled that with far better grace than I think I could have mustered - kudos to him.

                    I was wondering whether there is any precedent for honouring a leader in these sorts of situations - as in, Max just holding back and letting Lewis win given the unfairness of the situation (of which he must have been aware). If he'd done that he could have aquired legend status himself, and still gone on to have a very good career I'm sure. I wonder if Lewis would have done it if the situation was reversed.

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                      #80
                      Originally posted by mattster View Post

                      Agreed. He handled that with far better grace than I think I could have mustered - kudos to him.

                      I was wondering whether there is any precedent for honouring a leader in these sorts of situations - as in, Max just holding back and letting Lewis win given the unfairness of the situation (of which he must have been aware). If he'd done that he could have aquired legend status himself, and still gone on to have a very good career I'm sure. I wonder if Lewis would have done it if the situation was reversed.
                      In some circumstances. We have had drivers pull over to check on someone else who crashed before.
                      In this case, the sportsman has to go with what's happening. Remember it was very chaotic and changing by the moment - up until the last moment - so trying to second guess the situation could make you look daft. Red Bull brought Max in hoping he would get just that chance, neither of them would have behaved differently if the situation was reversed. It'd be like refusing to take a penalty you weren't sure was legitimate... your job is to take it, and let the decision be reviewed afterwards if deemed necessary.
                      Originally posted by MaryPoppins
                      I'd still not breastfeed a nazi
                      Originally posted by vetran
                      Urine is quite nourishing

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