Robbed of Role Models

[Zigenare]

They need a regular dose of a violent sport like boxing that has clear boundaries with male coaches who take no tulip and have high expectations of them.

There are actually youth projects aimed at boys that do exactly this and it works e.g.
https://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/n...dings-streets/ and

For where would we be without...

People Sleep Peacefully in Their Beds at Night Only Because Rough Men Stand Ready to Do Violence on Their Behalf

[d000hg]

That's not quite what it means - the idea is to distinguish between toxic and non-toxic variations. (As an analogy, if I mention "hot drinks", that doesn't mean that all drinks are hot; it's to distinguish between hot drinks and cold drinks.)

Being a man isn't toxic; acting in any way masculine in a traditional sense is now. If you live by gender norms or are a 'manly' man, you're awful

[OwlHoot]

When I was a child I always wanted to be Dr Who or Spiderman. Now as an adult woman I can but this leaves your sons without role models.

(Guess this MP hasn't realised he should encourage boys to read books. Oh and Bluey is a girl.)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59421259.amp

A Tory MP has linked young men turning to crime to women playing traditionally male roles in TV and film. ..

Had a few male role models as a young kid. I thought I'd rather be the Sheriff of Nottingham than Robin Hood or one of his merry men, who seemed like a bunch of losers having to shack up in a forest and being hunted from pillar to post, while the sheriff toasted himself in front of a nice fire in the comfort and security of his castle! These days I expect a good many millennial boys yearn to be Maid Marian!

[SueEllen]

Being a man isn't toxic; acting in any way masculine in a traditional sense is now. If you live by gender norms or are a 'manly' man, you're awful

What do you mean traditional sense?

Rescuing someone from the sea, lost up a mountain or lost in a cave is something men traditionally do and not seen as toxic.

Being a white male wealthy middle-class Tory MP who talks tulip in front of other men (see the clip and the guy behind him eyes) is traditional but is considered toxic.

[d000hg]

Being a white male wealthy middle-class Tory MP who talks tulip in front of other men (see the clip and the guy behind him eyes) is traditional but is considered toxic.

Um, what? No I don't think that's a traditional depiction of masculinity.

Believing men are different from women is considered toxic.

[Gibbon]

For where would we be without...

People Sleep Peacefully in Their Beds at Night Only Because Rough Men Stand Ready to Do Violence on Their Behalf

Tommy – The Kipling Society

[northernladuk]

Rescuing someone from the sea, lost up a mountain or lost in a cave is something men traditionally do and not seen as toxic.

But men do that as it's part of the psyche or whatever makes them do that but that also filters in to normal life as well meaning they will take the lead in situations, shout at people, take control and all the attributes that allow you to do the activities above but when it's in peoples faces it's toxic.

Just being masculine which is as close to being traditional as there is is being considered toxic nowadays.

Being a white male wealthy middle-class Tory MP who talks tulip in front of other men (see the clip and the guy behind him eyes) is traditional but is considered toxic.

Not really. You are using the wrong word to describe the type of people that do that which isn't demonstrating masculine toxicity. That's the problem with these words. People use the willy nilly now so they've lost their meaning to the point of just being a man with male traits is now considered toxic to some.

Believing men are different from women is considered toxic.

Indeed but bearing in mind it's true then we are bit screwed if we start ignoring basic facts. In many cases being different really isn't a problem and can be a great benefit, except in this case.

[SueEllen]

Um, what? No I don't think that's a traditional depiction of masculinity.

Believing men are different from women is considered toxic.

Just read something that pointed out the current best male role models around are -

The men's England football team and their manager.

Shame that the vocal Tory MPs thought they should attack them as individuals and as a team.

[Paralytic]

Believing men are different from women is considered toxic.

I don't think that is actually the case, for the majority at least. Few would deny men and women are different; it's inequality that's the issue.

[d000hg]

Indeed but bearing in mind it's true then we are bit screwed if we start ignoring basic facts. In many cases being different really isn't a problem and can be a great benefit, except in this case.

Quite.

Take SE's own example. She has asserted that mountain rescue is the sort of thing you'd predominantly expect to see staffed by men, and men of a somewhat specific type - which isn't controversial. But if we then even hinted it's role better suited to men, you'd be called a misogynistic dinosaur.