Leveling up my arse!!!

[northernladuk]

This is not the thread I was expecting based on the title.

Same. Was expecting a something a lot more interesting than this.

[d000hg]

Seems Northerners would rather shoot themselves in the feet, and vote for a centre-right wing party with racist undertones, than a centre-left wing party with anti-semitic overtones

FTFY.

Right wing and left wing aren't dirty words BTW.

How exactly does HS2 help the North "level up?" Colossal waste of time and money especially given the new world order where we all work at home

[vetran]

You have to remember that to some, the Tories are the best in the world. Nothing bad can be said about right & far right politics, and when challenged their justification for why everyone should be right wing is because it's all the fault of Labour. To some, the right wing are always the only solution. Laws and attitudes need to change if you dare disagree.

No Boris & co are becoming a disaster. The problem is that labour have been a disaster so long few remember them being electable.

If by right wing you mean attempting (badly) to police our borders sorry all countries are having to do that.

[WTFH]

No Boris & co are becoming a disaster. The problem is that labour have been a disaster so long few remember them being electable.

If by right wing you mean attempting (badly) to police our borders sorry all countries are having to do that.

No, I'm not talking about borders, I'm talking about the beliefs that anyone receiving any kind of benefit is a scrounger, unless they are a pensioner or use the benefit to refurbish their castle.
Or creating division and destroying society while ensuring the blame is passed on to others.
Selling fishing rights to foreign-owned businesses, then blaming foreigners for fishing.

And not taking John Betjeman's advice.

[d000hg]

No, I'm not talking about borders, I'm talking about the beliefs that anyone receiving any kind of benefit is a scrounger, unless they are a pensioner or use the benefit to refurbish their castle.
Or creating division and destroying society while ensuring the blame is passed on to others.
Selling fishing rights to foreign-owned businesses, then blaming foreigners for fishing.

Unlike the left wingers who are moderate, open-minded voters drawn to Labour by thorough evaluation of their manifesto. Every party has it's die-hard entrenched supporters, typically with quite unpleasant stereotyped views. There are plenty who would describe you and I as entitled, elitist 1% tax-dodgers for example.

The extremist fringes on both sides don't represent their parties, they're an embarrassment to them.

[WTFH]

Unlike the left wingers who are moderate, open-minded voters drawn to Labour by thorough evaluation of their manifesto. Every party has it's die-hard entrenched supporters, typically with quite unpleasant stereotyped views. There are plenty who would describe you and I as entitled, elitist 1% tax-dodgers for example.

The extremist fringes on both sides don't represent their parties, they're an embarrassment to them.

I don't think either of the main parties are particularly good, the problem is that I see the country being pulled further right.

In her day Maggie was considered right wing. She was further left than Bliar. And today she'd be kicked out of the Tory party for being pro-EU and too left wing.
Having had Tory rule for the last 11 years, the normalisation of further right values is creeping in, removing support for the poor, increasing taxes on the poor and middle income, while limiting increases at the top end of businesses. Jobs for the boys, contracts for the boys, no accountability.

[d000hg]

I hear this argument, and that the current government is "extreme right wing" but that just seems like nonsense. By any measure we have a centre-right government that is increasingly occupying the centre ground now they have a large majority and are not beholden to cliques for votes. I can't see any evidence Maggie is more left wing than Blair or even Boris, that seems a crazy statement given her battle with the trade unions and the recent spate of bailouts, renationalisations, etc.
Most of the Tory party were Remainers and the party campaigned on that basis (IIRC?) May was frequently called a "Red Tory" and more and more often Labour are left unable to oppose effectively because the government keeps stealing their policies. Labour is pushed further to the left to differentiate themselves, but nobody actually wants that, so they falter and flounder trying to find some sort of distinctive identity.

[jamesbrown]

How big is levelling and do you really want it up there?

[vetran]

No, I'm not talking about borders, I'm talking about the beliefs that anyone receiving any kind of benefit is a scrounger, unless they are a pensioner or use the benefit to refurbish their castle.
Or creating division and destroying society while ensuring the blame is passed on to others.
Selling fishing rights to foreign-owned businesses, then blaming foreigners for fishing.

And not taking John Betjeman's advice.

Benefits are too high compared to wages and subsidise employers that is proven by the massive shortage of staff in most poorly paid jobs and people being on benefits while earning £50k. We have been holding the salaries low for years using cheap labour.

Imagine leaving driving HGVs to deliver or pack for Amazon or Leaving Care home work for the same reason.

The subsidy by giving in work benefits to low paid staff is scandalous and started by that noted right wing Tory Gordon B'ruin.

On the expenses scandal you might be interested in who our pal Keir and others prosecuted and which party they belonged to. Who was the worst offender financially etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...iminal_charges

What division?

Fishing well at any time from the 1970s Labour could have spoken up. They were even in charge a few times.

https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/201...-uk-fleetwood/

This was followed by other deregulatory moves, like the liberalisation of quota “swaps” between POs. In 1999, the UK replaced track records with “fixed quota allocations”, which give the holder an unchanging share of the UK’s quota. These were dished out to vessels in the sector based on their catches in the mid-nineties. This change discouraged the “race to fish”, but also made quota easier to swap, sell or lease to others.

Those filthy tories again! Oh wait it was B'Liar in charge then!

I wouldn't trust Bojo with my niece. I wouldn't trust labour with a toilet roll especially if it had been circumcised!

[vetran]

I don't think either of the main parties are particularly good, the problem is that I see the country being pulled further right.

In her day Maggie was considered right wing. She was further left than Bliar. And today she'd be kicked out of the Tory party for being pro-EU and too left wing.
Having had Tory rule for the last 11 years, the normalisation of further right values is creeping in, removing support for the poor, increasing taxes on the poor and middle income, while limiting increases at the top end of businesses. Jobs for the boys, contracts for the boys, no accountability.

Well I see

A rise in Patriotism, a rise in nationalism. This is a good thing.

A fall in tolerance for racial and other abuse. - What I saw and could possibly do in the 70s/80s would quite rightly get the offender marched off site nowadays. That is why I'm flabbergasted about the Yorkshire cricket Neanderthals.

There has been tightening of benefits when I was a kid there wasn't much means testing and my mates went and signed on Thursday - their boss even gave them time off to do it. You want that to start again? As above Gordon B'Ruin started subsidising big employers as well. Benefits are a crapshoot get the right score and you don't have to work. The Tories in their favour have created Universal credit to start cleaning up the mess.

Benefits are still better than some salaries, until the salaries rise or the benefits fall there will still be a worker shortage. This has been happening for decades.

Social housing is a lottery but when you get a house you have it subsidised for life and beyond. This was standard throughout multiple labour terms.

The jobs for the boys and sleaze has forever been part of Politics lets not forget Jim the plumber, Mandleslime and Hessy. It is however being exposed and costing them votes so it should fix itself. Plenty of History here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...United_Kingdom