DOOM: Britney

[vetran]

Yes and no. I think it goes much further and deeper than that. A PoA still has limitations but a conservatorship is control over EVERYTHING and, once put in place, is nigh on impossible to revoke whereas the PoA can be easily cancelled.

I think the permanency and the lack of medical oversight are the big issues. There is little doubt Britney was off the planet for a bit and needed help. However she seems to be coping now and needs help coming back into the world. If she is fit to work then she is probably fit to regain some control.

[d000hg]

Yes and no. I think it goes much further and deeper than that. A PoA still has limitations but a conservatorship is control over EVERYTHING and, once put in place, is nigh on impossible to revoke whereas the PoA can be easily cancelled.

I think you have to prove you are fit to cancel a LPA if it's disputed, and I think one can be imposed on you. It has to go through the court IIRC but e.g. if your dad or wife has progressive dementia it's something you can do.

[lorakeen]

And Michael Jackson wasn't? And half the drug addicts in the music and movie industry?

Forcing birth control on her FFS

you mmisspelled ALL

[northernladuk]

you mmisspelled ALL

Oh the irony.......

[Whorty]

Isn't this a little bit like power of attorney? I don't think it is that uncommon for someone deemed not of sound mind to have someone else make decisions for them though this does seem a farcical use of that.

As LM says, not quite the same. PoA is usually for when someone is incapable to make their own decisions but its hard to believe that she wasn't. In the UK, and happy to be corrected, it's could be put in place if someone say has a brain injury or is mentally disabled, but I'm guessing it's rarely when someone has gone off the rails a bit.

Just feels to me like this was all about money and control, and never about the welfare of Britney herself.

[Whorty]

and no

https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/researc...ompetence-laws

Big difference though is that chap was born with a disability (autism) and given that illness may have found it difficult to run his own affairs safely. Britney just had a meltdown due to the way the press and various other institutions treated her and all she needed was some guidance and counselling.

So no, not the same at all.

The same would have been someone doing it to Mel Gibson after his, erm, actions!

[ladymuck]

Big difference though is that chap was born with a disability (autism) and given that illness may have found it difficult to run his own affairs safely. Britney just had a meltdown due to the way the press and various other institutions treated her and all she needed was some guidance and counselling.

So no, not the same at all.

The same would have been someone doing it to Mel Gibson after his, erm, actions!

I remember the Hoff having some form of minor melt down too. There was some video that did the rounds many years back.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...-daughter.html

Sorry it's a fail link

[northernladuk]

But in the conservatorship process, the judge also stripped away Greg’s right to vote. He was not only unfit to make decisions about his health care and finances, the judge ruled, but he also was unfit to participate in the democratic process.

Blimey. I didn't know they could do that. Kinda makes sense but didn't know that was a possibility, particularly with constitution. Is that widespread in the US? Does the same happen here? You could assume it would make sense to set a bar for certain cases not to be part of society including democratic processes but just never heard it happening.

[AtW]

She could probably still legally buy an AR-15 with drum mags and thousands of rounds of ammo - no questions asked.

[ladymuck]

Blimey. I didn't know they could do that. Kinda makes sense but didn't know that was a possibility, particularly with constitution. Is that widespread in the US? Does the same happen here? You could assume it would make sense to set a bar for certain cases not to be part of society including democratic processes but just never heard it happening.

Well in the US they find loads of excuses to stop people voting. The biggest ones are mentally incapable and those with felonies. Guess who that disproportionately affects...

https://www.usa.gov/who-can-vote

In the UK we don't like serving prisoners being able to vote but, I believe, once your time is done you're then allowed to

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...ings/cbp-8985/