Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine batch halted after blood clots

[vetran]

That's convenient so the UK has a justification to hog all their own vaccine and deliver sanctimonious lectures to the EU for not delivering vaccine to other countries.

So which other vaccines have licences that allow other countries to manufacture them at near cost?

[d000hg]

That's convenient so the UK has a justification to hog all their own vaccine and deliver sanctimonious lectures to the EU for not delivering vaccine to other countries.

If you say so. In the same way you 'hog' your possessions and the things you've made and paid for.

[mattster]

I hope this is just some statistical anomaly that can occur when large numbers of people are involved and not some underlying issue with the vaccine or it's manufacturing quality.

Vaccines have historically been prone to inducing health scare stories, precisely because so many people are given them.
Ben Goldacre was written well about this in his book "Bad Science" - well worth a read if you haven't.
The simple fact is that if you vaccinate, say, 3m 70-80 year olds in a week, then a surprisingly large number would have died anyway, even if they'd had placebo. The problem is that once a "vaccine bad" narrative takes hold, people start looking for anything that might reinforce that narrative, and before long you have a good old, traditional vaccine scare. From what I have read over the weekend, the number of clotting incidents is no higher amongst the other vaccines than it is for AZ. The knee-jerk pulling of AZ by various health authorities is likely to have lasting damage, when the right response would have been to explain the figures in context.

A snippet from one of Ben Goldacre's articles:

Vaccine scares in context

…Before we begin, it's worth taking a moment to look at vaccine scares around the world, because I'm always struck by how circumscribed these panics are, and how poorly they propagate themselves in different soils. The MMR and autism scare, for example, is practically non-existent outside Britain, even in Europe and America. But throughout the 1990s France was in the grip of a scare that hepatitis B vaccine caused multiple sclerosis (it wouldn’t surprise me if I was the first person to tell you that).

In the US, the major vaccine fear has been around the use of a preservative called thiomersal, although somehow this hasn't caught on here, even though that same preservative was used in Britain. And in the 1970s "since the past is another country too" there was a widespread concern in the UK, driven again by a single doctor, that whooping-cough vaccine was causing neurological damage.

from https://www.badscience.net/2013/04/h...al-boundaries/

[BlasterBates]

If you say so. In the same way you 'hog' your possessions and the things you've made and paid for.

https://www.politico.eu/article/johnson-to-eu-dont-restrict-vaccine-exports/

Boris Johnson to EU: Don’t restrict vaccine exports

UK prime minister urges Brussels not to go against spirit of ‘multinational cooperation.’

[OwlHoot]

Vaccines have historically been prone to inducing health scare stories, precisely because so many people are given them.

Ben Goldacre was written well about this in his book "Bad Science" - well worth a read if you haven't. ..

All no doubt part of a more general phenomenon:

Be very afraid - The cultural response to terror, pandemics .. and other threats; R Wuthnow; Oxford UP (2010)

[saptastic]

Ironically a Covid death is counted as someone who has tested positive in the last 30 days
So if you had a positive covid test and then a blood clot that causes death - its counted as a covid death.
But any death 30 days after the vaccine is not counted as a vaccine fatality.

[AtW]

Covid is known to cause blood clotting (and death from it), vaccine - not.

[SueEllen]

Ironically a Covid death is counted as someone who has tested positive in the last 30 days
So if you had a positive covid test and then a blood clot that causes death - its counted as a covid death.
But any death 30 days after the vaccine is not counted as a vaccine fatality.

If you died after a positive Covid test and it was on the death certificate regardless of when you died it would be counted in ONS figures.

However as the vaccines don't cause blood clots it's a moot point.

[mattster]

Ironically a Covid death is counted as someone who has tested positive in the last 30 days
So if you had a positive covid test and then a blood clot that causes death - its counted as a covid death.
But any death 30 days after the vaccine is not counted as a vaccine fatality.

What is actually ironic is that you believe the Covid fatalities to be overstated due to the reporting criteria you mention, but in fact the number of deaths where Covid is mentioned on the death certificate is nearly 20% higher than the official tally (just over 150k), because it includes people who's positive test occurred more than 28 days before they died.

[mattster]

If you died after a positive Covid test and it was on the death certificate regardless of when you died it would be counted in ONS figures.

They do have figures for it, I believe, but if the test was > 28 days prior to death then these deaths are not part of the "headline" figures. I think.