Alfie Evans....

[northernladuk]

Is there a religious angle to your position on this matter?

He just likes banging on about the NHS. Nothing to do with Alfie. Plenty more of him going on about it here.

https://forums.contractoruk.com/gene...rld-nhs-3.html

[northernladyuk]

Just because he has "no functioning" brain doesn't mean he doesn't respond to stimuli and feel pain.

Added to that is it fair on the medical staff and the fight crew to fly out such a sick child? If he has a seizure or dies on the flight it may traumatise them. It is forgotten that medical staff and flight crew can experience trauma when doing their jobs that can stop them working. I actually know some people who can't work in some specialities of medicine due to this.

Finally are the Vatican going to provide long term support and counselling for AE's parents? Are their random Christian campaigning supporters? Nope it will be left to parts of the NHS and UK charities, who may get some funding from the UK government.

He does have a functioning brain or else he would have been diagnosed as dead using neurological criteria before the withdrawal of cardiorespiratory support.

[NotAllThere]

I would be interested to know what those who assert the absolute right of parents over the state, think of Jehovah's Witnesses who refuse consent for their child to receive life saving blood products.

The right to let your child die through lack of treatment is not exactly the same as the right to insist your child receives all possible life supporting measures.

But probably they have a little unstated rule which reads "unless I agree that the parents' rights need to be overruled".

He just likes banging on about the NHS. Nothing to do with Alfie. Plenty more of him going on about it here.

Maybe he works for a US "health" company trying to set up business here. NHS may be bad, but what's the alternative?

[vwdan]

I would be interested to know what those who assert the absolute right of parents over the state, think of Jehovah's Witnesses who refuse consent for their child to receive life saving blood products.

One of those "stick in your head" moments from my sons surgery was signing the blood transfusion consent form. Out of curiosity I asked if he'd need a transfusion or whether this was just precautionary, as I hadn't really thought about. The Surgeon explained that, not only would he require a transfusion due to blood loss through the surgery but new born babies don't have enough blood in them to even prime the heart and lung bypass machine, so that would be primed with donor blood before they even start. Dunno why, but it was one those "Oh...." moments for me.

Anyway, in answer to your question - my answer is "Barely fit to be called human, let alone parents".

[CoolCat]

"Maybe he works for a US "health" company trying to set up business here. NHS may be bad, but what's the alternative?"

The system in Belgium, or Italy, or New Zealand, or so many other developed countries that do it so much better than we do.

[vwdan]

"Maybe he works for a US "health" company trying to set up business here. NHS may be bad, but what's the alternative?"

The system in Belgium, or Italy, or New Zealand, or so many other developed countries that do it so much better than we do.

Glad I wasn't holding my breath. My question, again, by the way:

You keep saying that, but are very light on detail. Come on - what, PRECISELY, are they going to add to the care of this child? Apart from prayers from the Pope.

I want properly specific details if you're going to keep spouting this nonsense.

[northernladuk]

"Maybe he works for a US "health" company trying to set up business here. NHS may be bad, but what's the alternative?"

The system in Belgium, or Italy, or New Zealand, or so many other developed countries that do it so much better than we do.

You are as bad as that Alfies army lot. Using him as a platform to bang on about your own wider agenda.

[SueEllen]

Maybe he works for a US "health" company trying to set up business here. NHS may be bad, but what's the alternative?

No PC is upset about the failures of the NHS and social care around his family members care.

Most people happy with the NHS and sing it praises have had good emergency, critical and/or paediatric care.

[CoolCat]

Glad I wasn't holding my breath. My question, again, by the way:

There was a German professor of medicine on the Radio 4 today programme yesterday morning, go and listen to his answers on the BBC web site. It gives all the answers I would want to give.

[vwdan]

You are as bad as that Alfies army lot. Using him as a platform to bang on about your own wider agenda.

I've said this numerous times as it's something that I've really noticed this time round - there's so so much talk about "rights", about the parents, about government, about the state. And yet almost nobody from that side seems interested in what's actually best for the child at the heart of this. I find that intriguing, if not particularly surprising.