Catalonia

[SueEllen]

Estonia

Latvia

Lithuania

Poland

How far are we going back in history?

[northernladyuk]

How far are we going back in history?

I wan't thinking as far back as the Britannic Empire. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carausian_Revolt

[NotAllThere]

Why did you invent the 99% figure it it is irrelevant?

Really, I'm surprised at you. Normally you do far better than this. I didn't invent it. I either mis-read it, or mis-typed it, or even read it in one of the reports before that report got corrected.

Nothing you say suggests that it was illegal to queue up with the intent of casting a vote one way or another.

What I wrote does exactly that. Has NLUK's account been hacked by one of the brexit mob?

[northernladyuk]

Really, I'm surprised at you. Normally you do far better than this. I didn't invent it. I either mis-read it, or mis-typed it, or even read it in one of the reports before that report got corrected.

What I wrote does exactly that. Has NLUK's account been hacked by one of the brexit mob?

What are you talking about? Self-determination is a well established principle. I don't really have a view on the outcome, but I do think the Catalan people should have the opportunity for a free and fair vote, just as the Scots did. What does that have to do with Brexit?

[NotAllThere]

What are you talking about? Self-determination is a well established principle. I don't really have a view on the outcome, but I do think the Catalan people should have the opportunity for a free and fair vote, just as the Scots did.

But it isn't as the Scots did, is it? They followed the legal processes of the UK. The Catalonia independence movement decided not to.

What does that have to do with Brexit?

Your responses in this thread are akin to the brainfarts that emanate from the less intelligent of the brexit mob on this forum.

So what is it? Are you bored, hungover, ill, or hacked?

[Bean]

But it isn't as the Scots did, is it? They followed the legal processes of the UK. The Catalonia independence movement decided not to. Your responses in this thread are akin to the brainfarts that emanate from the less intelligent of the brexit mob on this forum.

So what is it? Are you bored, hungover, ill, or hacked?

How many times should the Catalans follow the 'legal process' which ends with Rajoy saying no, before considering illegal moves?

Imagine if the UK kept saying no to Scotland.....even if it had public support like with Indy#1

[NotAllThere]

How many times should the Catalans follow the 'legal process' which ends with Rajoy saying no, before considering illegal moves?

Dunno. How many times have the Catalans tried the legal processes?

It seems to me that the EU needs some way of allowing member states to split into two states, remaining within the EU, if there is a democratic mandate to split (self-determine).

Where does self-determination stop? Neasden High Street? Back room, 4A Neasden High Street?

[tomtomagain]

It seems to me that the EU needs some way of allowing member states to split into two states, remaining within the EU, if there is a democratic mandate to split (self-determine).

Yeah, I can see the EU member countries loving that suggestion.

The EU is partly to blame for this mess by distributing funds directly to the "regions" over the heads of the national governments.

[northernladyuk]

What are you talking about? Self-determination is a well established principle. I don't really have a view on the outcome, but I do think the Catalan people should have the opportunity for a free and fair vote, just as the Scots did. What does that have to do with Brexit?

But it isn't as the Scots did, is it? They followed the legal processes of the UK. The Catalonia independence movement decided not to.

Christ almighty, am I going to have to draw this out with crayons for you?

I do think the Catalan people should have the opportunity for a free and fair vote, just as the Scots did. Do you understand what the word 'should' means? They should have the opportunity to vote but haven't had the opportunity.

So your statement:

But it isn't as the Scots did, is it?

...is just a pointless non sequitur. Your ridiculous insults just betray your own lack of cognitive abilities.

[Bean]

Dunno. How many times have the Catalans tried the legal processes?

It seems to me that the EU needs some way of allowing member states to split into two states, remaining within the EU, if there is a democratic mandate to split (self-determine).

Where does self-determination stop? Neasden High Street? Back room, 4A Neasden High Street?

I suppose we have all assumed there is a legal process.

From what I just googled, there isn't - Spanish parliament says no - nothing can be done.

So I guess the question we should be asking is, what is the process?

Well Cornwall (always) & Yorkshire (after the Olympics ) want it. Londoners want(ed?) it after the Brexit vote. Perhaps large cities should be the floor limit?