Catalonia

[chopper]

Ask Drunker next time you see him!

Or Macron.

[Bee]

This war last for centuries but the attitude from the National Police was unacceptable.

[original PM]

This war last for centuries but the attitude from the National Police was acceptable to the EU as it helps them maintain control.

FTFY

[Bee]

It is appalling behaviour of the Spanish Government and it’s a reminder of Franco bombing Catalan in the Spanish Civil War.

There is much hypocrisy as governments remain silent.
Had the same happened in Cuba, the US would be calling for sanctions.
Had the same happened in Syria, the US and UK would bomb Damascus.
Had the same happened in Ukraine, the US and UK would claim the protesters were Russian agents.

If the Spanish Government had ignored the referendum probably the result would be different, with this attitude they
lead the voters to vote for independence.

[sbakoola]

It's like waking up in your flat in Lancashire and deciding to vote yourself out...

It's like waking up in your flat in Lancashire and deciding to vote yourself out...
"I'll have me this law and that law and I'll cherry pick me that one, I'll vote this apartment out of the U.K., oh look I won ! it's an independent nation, UK law does not apply within this flat ! oh ! no the UK police are outside my home ! the fascists !"

[northernladyuk]

It's like waking up in your flat in Lancashire and deciding to vote yourself out...
"I'll have me this law and that law and I'll cherry pick me that one, I'll vote this apartment out of the U.K., oh look I won ! it's an independent nation, UK law does not apply within this flat ! oh ! no the UK police are outside my home ! the fascists !"

Not really.

[vetran]

It's like waking up in your flat in Lancashire and deciding to vote yourself out...
"I'll have me this law and that law and I'll cherry pick me that one, I'll vote this apartment out of the U.K., oh look I won ! it's an independent nation, UK law does not apply within this flat ! oh ! no the UK police are outside my home ! the fascists !"

what's you opinion on Scottish independence?

[Paddy]

It's like waking up in your flat in Lancashire and deciding to vote yourself out...
"I'll have me this law and that law and I'll cherry pick me that one, I'll vote this apartment out of the U.K., oh look I won ! it's an independent nation, UK law does not apply within this flat ! oh ! no the UK police are outside my home ! the fascists !"

Catalonia was a separate state before becoming part of Spain.
It has is own language.
It resisted the takeover by Franco who bombed it and executed x number of people.

Not really the same as Lancashire.

[vetran]

Catalonia was a separate state before becoming part of Spain.
It has is own language.
It resisted the takeover by Franco who bombed it and executed x number of people.

Not really the same as Lancashire.

bloody facts again..

[sbakoola]

bloody facts again..

During the civil war Cataluña fought to be part of the Spanish republic against Franco's Nationalist forces (with a view to having a degree of anarchistic autonomy as a province due to the inequalities created via industrialists and their workers).

Aragon and even Portugal for example were separate "states" (Portugal part of the Iberian Union) before Aragon was annexed into (a future) Spain and also Portugal into a separate nation. You think it's ok for the the people of a province (essentially like a UK county) to suddenly stage an election without official permission and become independent ?, same for Portugal them suddenly wanting a vote to become part of Spain (and there are some that want that) with no legal basis at either the national or European level ?? Cataluña doesn't even have it's own central bank or mint like Scotland (which is a country not a province -Wales similar). So yes it is a bit like Lancashire saying lets go it alone tomorrow morning.

Galicia and the Basque Country both have their own culture and language also - should every province in Spain just break off into it's own independent country ? why stop there, lets have city boroughs that are their nations, smaller than Andorra. Lets go one step further, Mr. Ramon Gonzalez Pezón of finca Flamingo Rosa wants his country home to be separate with it's own laws ! (silly I know but I bet there are some nutters that wish such a thing) too much wannabee devolution and not enough understanding of the economic / social / military benefits of being united as one nation; as if independence is going to benefit the average man, woman and child in Cataluña, it's a pitch for a shift of power which will benefit scum politicians. Essentially these Catalonian politicians have demonstrated intent for an illegal coup having whipped up the region's population into a storm of Catalonian national pride and then played the victim when social order was inevitably enforced. They should work within the established political and legal framework - go to the European Parliment / Commission and demand a referendum, they hold true power over Spain and if that doesn't work well tough.