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Originally posted by Dark Black View PostThe usual "experts" replying here after a quick Google, and the health and safety police wringing their hands...
Failed power steering does not make the car more dangerous, it just makes the steering heavier since the hydraulic rams which assist the underlying manual steering system wont work any more.
Do you think the manufacturers don't consider potential hydraulic failure when designing these items?
It's not uncommon in motorsport for power-steering racks from higher-spec'd models to be used on a rally car (road legal before anyone goes there) as generally they have a quicker steering action. The 205 GTi is a common example here.
I'd suggest you remove all the PAS components (bar the rack obviously) and just plug the rack where the pipes go.
You may need to change any shared drive belts for shorter versions from a non-PAS model.
Manufacturers do consider the fact that PAS might fail and the steering still works and car is still driveable. In the same sense that a car with a worn tires or break pads is driveable. Just not safe enough to pass MOT.
Any rally/race cars analogies are meaningless, the discussion is not whether a car can function without PAS, but whether it's safe/feasible to remove failed PAS fro ma car designed to have one.Comment
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Originally posted by Dark Black View PostThe usual "experts" replying here after a quick Google, and the health and safety police wringing their hands...
Failed power steering does not make the car more dangerous, it just makes the steering heavier since the hydraulic rams which assist the underlying manual steering system wont work any more.
Do you think the manufacturers don't consider potential hydraulic failure when designing these items?
It's not uncommon in motorsport for power-steering racks from higher-spec'd models to be used on a rally car (road legal before anyone goes there) as generally they have a quicker steering action. The 205 GTi is a common example here.
I'd suggest you remove all the PAS components (bar the rack obviously) and just plug the rack where the pipes go.
You may need to change any shared drive belts for shorter versions from a non-PAS model.…Maybe we ain’t that young anymoreComment
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Originally posted by WTFH View PostAnd for modern cars with electric steering, does your blanket statement (based on a 1980s French car) still apply?
HTH BIDIDo what thou wiltComment
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Originally posted by Dark Black View PostThe usual "experts" replying here after a quick Google, and the health and safety police wringing their hands...
Failed power steering does not make the car more dangerous, it just makes the steering heavier since the hydraulic rams which assist the underlying manual steering system wont work any more.
Do you think the manufacturers don't consider potential hydraulic failure when designing these items?
It's not uncommon in motorsport for power-steering racks from higher-spec'd models to be used on a rally car (road legal before anyone goes there) as generally they have a quicker steering action. The 205 GTi is a common example here.
I'd suggest you remove all the PAS components (bar the rack obviously) and just plug the rack where the pipes go.
You may need to change any shared drive belts for shorter versions from a non-PAS model.Originally posted by WTFH View PostAnd for modern cars with electric steering, does your blanket statement (based on a 1980s French car) still apply?Originally posted by Dark Black View PostThe OP was talking about a car with hydraulic PAS as (which you're well aware) was I..
HTH BIDI
You then went on to talk about a 1980s French rally car, which you were quick to criticise another poster for when they called it a race car.
Perhaps you should really have suggested that the OP check if the car was fixed as part of the Mazda 2010 recall and then take it to a local mechanic for their opinion.
...but it's easier to call people names and make sweeping generalisations than actually be polite and useful…Maybe we ain’t that young anymoreComment
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Originally posted by vetran View Post
Originally posted by original PM View PostWhilst i understand the Op's need to not spend the money I think in this instance you need to suck it up.Originally posted by OwlHoot View PostWasn't quite sure, but this thread confirms my vague recollection that when it comes to having to spend money dooghie is as mean as a rattlesnake.
Originally posted by PurpleGorilla View PostGame Set Match - Vetran!
As for safety, it is well within my capacity to control the vehicle safely but the law is the law.Originally posted by MaryPoppinsI'd still not breastfeed a naziOriginally posted by vetranUrine is quite nourishingComment
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Originally posted by d000hg View PostMany thanks for an actual, fact-based answer. It seems that other than very limited/emergency use it shouldn't be used and should certainly not be put in for an MOT.
It's just a back-up car, we already replaced it with a much newer one but I was loath to dump a usable vehicle, that's all.
It isn't really a competition but indeed this is a nicely black & white answer which is all I wanted. Knowing I cannot remove the PS as a way to make it pass the MOT is all I was after.
As for safety, it is well within my capacity to control the vehicle safely but the law is the law."You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JRComment
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I had hoped I could become like Ricky in Trailer Park BoysOriginally posted by MaryPoppinsI'd still not breastfeed a naziOriginally posted by vetranUrine is quite nourishingComment
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Originally posted by Dark Black View PostI did specify rally car not a race car Mal - you may not need much steering effort for the roundy-roundy stuff but I can assure you rallies tend to need a tad more effortBlog? What blog...?Comment
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Originally posted by d000hg View PostMany thanks for an actual, fact-based answer. It seems that other than very limited/emergency use it shouldn't be used and should certainly not be put in for an MOT.
It's just a back-up car, we already replaced it with a much newer one but I was loath to dump a usable vehicle, that's all.
It isn't really a competition but indeed this is a nicely black & white answer which is all I wanted. Knowing I cannot remove the PS as a way to make it pass the MOT is all I was after.
As for safety, it is well within my capacity to control the vehicle safely but the law is the law.Comment
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