Prison T&C's

[Phoenix]

Works well in America! Not!

What less words?

[John Galt]

If only the world was black and white it would be simple But...If you live on an estate where everyone is up to no good, chances are you will be up to no good. Obviously we have problems with kids from normal backgrounds being unrully, yes I agree they should be punnished (better than they are now), but most of them aren't going to end up as violent criminals. Those who do may not be all bad. Just locking them up and then releasing them is doing nothing. They won't get a job on release, nobody will employ an ex-criminal with no skills, what will they do? Take £60 a week in benefits or go back to crime?

Ok, they live on an estate where everyone is no good - so why do these estates get like that? You are also making the assumption that an alternative to prison would help to reform violent criminals - those criminals find murder, maiming, rape, torture acceptable behaviour - surely a sign of personality disorder? So the natural progression for this argument then is - if someone is a sociopath should they be punished for their actions or treated as ill as they have no control over the illness

[Lucy]

Sorry, I didn't mean to ignore.

I really don't know, I agree liberalism and 'cultural relevance' are not working, in this respect, and it would good to have some creative argument.

I worked in a barristers' chambers after I left school and all I can say is the files I read about some of the most violent and f ucked up criminals were as varied as you can imagine.

All I know there is not 'one' answer, as there is not one kind of person. The steps forward we have made in terms of liberating society and opportunities for people these days are well worth it, maybe we just have to live with the fact that one brings the other.

(Personally, I have strong reservations about both parents working and shoving their kids into daycare...and I could be wrong about that too.)

[Troll]

Sorry, I didn't mean to ignore.
(Personally, I have strong reservations about both parents working and shoving their kids into daycare...and I could be wrong about that too.)

No you're not

[John Galt]

"The steps forward we have made in terms of liberating society and opportunities for people these days are well worth it, maybe we just have to live with the fact that one brings the other."

Give me 3 examples

[Bagpuss]

Ok, they live on an estate where everyone is no good - so why do these estates get like that? You are also making the assumption that an alternative to prison would help to reform violent criminals - those criminals find murder, maiming, rape, torture acceptable behaviour - surely a sign of personality disorder? So the natural progression for this argument then is - if someone is a sociopath should they be punished for their actions or treated as ill as they have no control over the illness

Some people should not go to prison full stop. E.g. Someone who owes money, should not be sent to prison.

People who have committed serious violent crime should go to prison, but we should try to make them better people. I know people who are violent but are not completely bad people, they have learnt to be like that and in most cases they can unlearn. Your idea of the way forward implies that people cannot make mistakes, people do not learn from them, and people who commit crimes are 100% without redemption and should be treated as such. unfortunately that approach doesn't work. We have to punish people but also show them how they should be behaving, some people don't have the ability to work that out for themselves, and if they do many more people have suffered than necessary just out of a need for revenge.

[SallyAnne]

One of the worst things to ever happen to this country was all of the mines and shipyards being destroyed.
When we had them, kids went straight from school into one of these professions and were too busy grafting all day long to think about turning to crime.
They had a purpose, they had direction, they didn't have time to think, they just got stuck in, cause its what their dad, uncles, brothers, friends all did.

You didn't hav the energy to go out and rob after a day down the pit!

And who's fault was that? All together.....

Yous sit and bitch and moan about labour this, labour that - they're still trying to deal with the sodding aftermath of your ******* Tory goddess who quite frankly, struck her cock up the arse of this country.

[Phoenix]

Blimey! how do you agree with this lady?

[Troll]

One of the worst things to ever happen to this country was all of the mines and shipyards being destroyed.
When we had them, kids went straight from school into one of these professions and were too busy grafting all day long to think about turning to crime.
They had a purpose, they had direction, they didn't have time to think, they just got stuck in, cause its what their dad, uncles, brothers, friends all did.

You didn't hav the energy to go out and rob after a day down the pit!

And who's fault was that? All together.....

Yous sit and bitch and moan about labour this, labour that - they're still trying to deal with the sodding aftermath of your ******* Tory goddess who quite frankly, struck her cock up the arse of this country.

The last refuge of the blinkered socialist....blame Thatcher

[Lucy]

"The steps forward we have made in terms of liberating society and opportunities for people these days are well worth it, maybe we just have to live with the fact that one brings the other."

Give me 3 examples

You seriously need to ask ?

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