Prison T&C's

[sasguru]

You are making excuses - at the end of the day everyone has free will ...

And there my friend is where you go bad wrong ....

[Board Game Geek]

Where did my last post go ?????

[John Galt]

Some people should not go to prison full stop. E.g. Someone who owes money, should not be sent to prison.

People who have committed serious violent crime should go to prison, but we should try to make them better people. I know people who are violent but are not completely bad people, they have learnt to be like that and in most cases they can unlearn. Your idea of the way forward implies that people cannot make mistakes, people do not learn from them, and people who commit crimes are 100% without redemption and should be treated as such. unfortunately that approach doesn't work. We have to punish people but also show them how they should be behaving, some people don't have the ability to work that out for themselves, and if they do many more people have suffered than necessary just out of a need for revenge.

I agree with some of what you say Baggie but I believe that, for the most part, you would be hard pushed to make better people of very violent criminals. The nature of the crime would suggest that the criminals are incapable of making the important distinction between right and wrong or they can and chose to commit the crime anyway. I think that, if the criminals show a desire to reform - without there being incentives - then they should be assisted but to try to rehabilitate everyone is just an excercise in futility. I also still believe that the aspect of punishment should be primary. I also think that part of the problem these days is that the criminals seem to have more rights than the victims and, if there is no aspect of punishment for the criminal the victim also has a far worse sentence. A violent rapist could be out of his little holiday camp in 3 or 4 years but the victim will have to live with the fear for the rest of their life. I personally would spend far more on victim support than prisoner rehabilitation

[Troll]

Have we finished with this thread?