Prison T&C's

[John Galt]

There must be some lessons to be learnt from countries that do manage to rehabilitate their criminals, unless there is something inherently different about 'ours'. I dunno, maybe there is.

I'm sure though there are people in prison who are fairly intelligent, although academically poor, they may not have had the stable family upbringing. I'm not making excuses for bad behaviour, I'm just saying that there must be some opportunity to make people mend their ways if they aren't a lost cause.

You are making excuses - at the end of the day everyone has free will and can chose to commit crime or not. Many people with horribly bad backgrounds have gone on to be successful and some people with privileged backgrounds have gone on to commit murder. It is all about choice.

[Lucy]

You are making excuses - at the end of the day everyone has free will and can chose to commit crime or not. Many people with horribly bad backgrounds have gone on to be successful and some people with privileged backgrounds have gone on to commit murder. It is all about choice.

And what makes people choose one way or another ?

If you could answer that...

[Lucy]

Yes.

Lord Lucan used to post on here for a while...

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[John Galt]

And what makes people choose one way or another ?

If you could answer that...

They weigh up what they think they will get against the expected risk

[Lucy]

Is he in prison ?

[Bagpuss]

You are making excuses - at the end of the day everyone has free will and can chose to commit crime or not. Many people with horribly bad backgrounds have gone on to be successful and some people with privileged backgrounds have gone on to commit murder. It is all about choice.

I'm not saying their background made them do it, I'm saying they are likely to be people in prison from certain backgrounds who didn't do as well as they could have done due to the environment they grew up in. Kids learn behaviour from their parents, from their peers, they didn't choose those parents, yes they had free choice, but they also may have had limited exposure to decent people, maybe they would haved turned out bad whatever. But maybe, they have untapped potential, they're are people who do have, that are not beyond salvation.

[Lucy]

http://forums.contractoruk.com/member.php?u=748

I don't understand, Zeity ...

[John Galt]

I'm not saying their background made them do it, I'm saying they are likely to be people in prison from certain backgrounds who didn't do as well as they could have done due to the environment they grew up in. Kids learn behaviour from their parents, from their peers, they didn't choose those parents, yes they had free choice, but they also may have had limited exposure to decent people, maybe they would haved turned out bad whatever. But maybe, they have untapped potential, they're are people who do have, that are not beyond salvation.

Again, it is making excuses - I would think that there are very few people who have not had exposure to anyone who would have taught them right from wrong - whether at school, church, youth clubs etc Youngsters these days from bad backgrounds are, on the whole, given far more chances and opportunities than they had perhaps 50 years ago. As long as we make excuses the excuses will be used - how many times have you heard kids claiming a violation of human rights or accusing teachers of assault when they try to discipline them etc etc. There are no boundaries for kids these days because it is seen as wrong to discipline them and they will teach their kids accordingly - as a result crime will increase and, if we carry on as we are, there will be no real punishment.

[Lucy]

It is not that simple.

Punishment is not a deterrant and in many cases just teaches kids that pain is an option.

Surely it is about being a modern society and applying some thinking to this, instead of just being so black and white.

Yes, we all have choices, but what makes people do what they do ?

[Phoenix]

They will do whatever they can...if they get away with it!

Next!