Prison T&C's

[Lucy]

Awww bless.... so what is society said 'what the hell'

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Re-introduced the death sentance
Only released paedos to society with a large red P tattoed on their forheads
Operated a 2 strikes policy - i.e. thieves would have a hand amputated on the second offence

You could always move to Iran, troll. Sounds like you are more of their values, or North Korea perhaps.

[Logie]

I dunno, it's sounds good to me

You could always move to Iran, troll. Sounds like you are more of their values, or North Korea perhaps.

[John Galt]

Which isn't changed by long sentences surrounded by similar types. I'm not saying I know what the answer is. It might have something more to do with children not being parented well, but how do you fix that ?

Discipline and encouragement. We are now in the third generation of people who have been actively discouraged from working and actively encouraged to take what they want rather than earning it - what do you expect - Utopia?

[DimPrawn]

I expect a 1984 style Dystopian Socialist nightmare.

And I've got one!

[John Galt]

I expect a 1984 style Dystopian Socialist nightmare.

And I've got one!

Precisely my dear Prawn

[Bagpuss]

Precisely my dear Prawn

They haven't been in for 'your' 30 years.

Prison doesn't work as a deterent. Look at America, they have death penalties, chain gangs, as extreme as you like. They also have a worse crime problem than we have.

Criminals don't think about consequences, that's why they end up in prison.


We lock away more people in this country than any other european country and we also have the highest reoffending rate. Surely we need to try something that works?

[Logie]

first offence -> death penalty. Problem solved.

[John Galt]

They haven't been in for 'your' 30 years.

Prison doesn't work as a deterent. Look at America, they have death penalties, chain gangs, as extreme as you like. They also have a worse crime problem than we have.

Criminals don't think about consequences, that's why they end up in prison.


We lock away more people in this country than any other european country and we also have the highest reoffending rate. Surely we need to try something that works?

If someone is a sociopath or a psycopath then no deterrant will ever work and, to be honest, prison certainly wont but what's the alternative? I don't believe it is a case of not thinking about the consequences, I think it is a case of being prepared to take the risk of being caught - if the penalty is less then there is more chance that the risk will be taken.

America is an interesting example - we have followed their lead in human rights and in removing personal responsibility so naturally our crime patterns are becoming similar.

Have you ever been to a prison in Greece or Turkey or even France? Atrocious conditions.

[Lucy]

I dunno, it's sounds good to me

[Troll]

You could always move to Iran, troll. Sounds like you are more of their values, or North Korea perhaps.

And your alternative is what exactly - more of the same - the liberal approach that has been trialled for the last 40 years is now demonstrably defunct.

Society and civilised behaviour is breaking down in this country, stupid “super nanny” type solutions are the sign of bankrupt thinking, the longer you leave it, the worse the problem will become.

I will accept draconian measures to correct the situation, & if the solution is to adopt harsh measures and these result in a better society then so be it.

These will become the values I teach my children – i.e. if you do this… then this will happen to you so don’t do it. If other parents don't adopt these measures or their children choose to ignore them, then have them removed from the gene pool...firm but fair

But YOU Lucy are now in charge - how would you fix it?