Prison T&C's

[Lucy]

They will do whatever they can...if they get away with it!

Next!

A really annoying bird keeps following me.

Does anyone have a gun ?

[Phoenix]

A really annoying bird keeps following me.

Does anyone have a gun ?

No it's a pistol in my pocket!

[SallyAnne]

A really annoying bird keeps following me.

Does anyone have a gun ?

I think you'll get about 20 yes's on this board!

[Bagpuss]

Again, it is making excuses - I would think that there are very few people who have not had exposure to anyone who would have taught them right from wrong - whether at school, church, youth clubs etc Youngsters these days from bad backgrounds are, on the whole, given far more chances and opportunities than they had perhaps 50 years ago. As long as we make excuses the excuses will be used - how many times have you heard kids claiming a violation of human rights or accusing teachers of assault when they try to discipline them etc etc. There are no boundaries for kids these days because it is seen as wrong to discipline them and they will teach their kids accordingly - as a result crime will increase and, if we carry on as we are, there will be no real punishment.

If only the world was black and white it would be simple But...If you live on an estate where everyone is up to no good, chances are you will be up to no good. Obviously we have problems with kids from normal backgrounds being unrully, yes I agree they should be punnished (better than they are now), but most of them aren't going to end up as violent criminals. Those who do may not be all bad. Just locking them up and then releasing them is doing nothing. They won't get a job on release, nobody will employ an ex-criminal with no skills, what will they do? Take £60 a week in benefits or go back to crime?

[To BI or not to BI?]

A really annoying bird keeps following me.

Does anyone have a gun ?

It's no use. It'll rise again anyway

[Phoenix]

Blimey!
You make your point in a Thread, then get treatd like you just walked into the womens powder room!

[John Galt]

It is not that simple.

Punishment is not a deterrant and in many cases just teaches kids that pain is an option.

Surely it is about being a modern society and applying some thinking to this, instead of just being so black and white.

Yes, we all have choices, but what makes people do what they do ?

It is that simple Lucy and pain does not necessarily go hand in hand with pain. The basis of a punishment is deprevation of those things that give you most pleasure - if you commit a crime but still retain all those things what will stop you commiting the crime again? The liberalism that dominates our 'modern society' has violent crime at a record high, the average age of criminals reducing drastically, bullying at schools is on the increase and becoming more violent etc etc. People do what they do because they have no conscience, they have no fear of the consequences or, in fewer cases no understanding of the consequences. Someone else has already asked you this and you didn't answer - what would you do?

[Phoenix]

That's what i said!
Just not so many words to read

[Lucy]

Blimey!
You make your point in a Thread, then get treatd like you just walked into the womens powder room!

Yes, that's why we go to the 'powder room' in pairs.

(To compare pistols)

[Bagpuss]

That's what i said!
Just not so many words to read

Works well in America! Not!