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Originally posted by psychocandy View PostRoS - yes but remains to be seen whether it would ever be practical to use I will admit.
D&C - borderline
Moo - Not exactly. Client does not tell me what to do on a daily basis. Yes they will ask me to focus on things but then they leave me alone to decide whats the best.
We see just the facts you post without trying to sugar coat it. I think it's a pretty good assumption that your are pretty much inside if you think you are borderline.
Not understand MoO properly and doing a mix of BAU adds to this assumption.'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!Comment
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Originally posted by northernladuk View PostBut this is the problem PC. You yourself say borderline. Even with people that think they are slam dunk inside there is a big argument and a length investigation. You saying your are borderline means HMRC will see you bang inside. As. Soon as D&C is proven at any level then you are done. Not borderline, might be, a little bit. It's proven and HMRC have a massive upper hand.
We see just the facts you post without trying to sugar coat it. I think it's a pretty good assumption that your are pretty much inside if you think you are borderline.
Not understand MoO properly and doing a mix of BAU adds to this assumption.
Client: Support task x needs doing.
Contractor: (thinks: Very well, I am making a business decision for MyCo to accept this piece of work and will add this to a revised Statement of Works, but we will conduct it in the way we feel best, while remaining in alignment with client standards, and reserving the right to send a sub) Yes, Boss, right away Boss!Comment
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Originally posted by northernladuk View PostBut this is the problem PC. You yourself say borderline. Even with people that think they are slam dunk inside there is a big argument and a length investigation. You saying your are borderline means HMRC will see you bang inside. As. Soon as D&C is proven at any level then you are done. Not borderline, might be, a little bit. It's proven and HMRC have a massive upper hand.
We see just the facts you post without trying to sugar coat it. I think it's a pretty good assumption that your are pretty much inside if you think you are borderline.
Not understand MoO properly and doing a mix of BAU adds to this assumption.
The law is purposely vague it has a terrible conviction rate but they collect money based on the fear of it. This is supposed to be fair & reasonable? Most sensible people would see this as extortion.Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.Comment
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Originally posted by vetran View Postok on the way home tonight you are stopped by the police & they believe you are speeding, you are sure you were not. They take you to court on the basis of their opinion and the police lose because the Judge says sorry you didn't use a radar gun or any other empirical measure. Now are you a filthy cat murdering speeder or innocent?
The law is purposely vague it has a terrible conviction rate but they collect money based on the fear of it. This is supposed to be fair & reasonable? Most sensible people would see this as extortion.'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!Comment
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Originally posted by vetran View Postok on the way home tonight you are stopped by the police & they believe you are speeding, you are sure you were not. They take you to court on the basis of their opinion and the police lose because the Judge says sorry you didn't use a radar gun or any other empirical measure. Now are you a filthy cat murdering speeder or innocent?
The law is purposely vague it has a terrible conviction rate but they collect money based on the fear of it. This is supposed to be fair & reasonable? Most sensible people would see this as extortion.Comment
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Originally posted by psychocandy View PostRoS - yes but remains to be seen whether it would ever be practical to use I will admit.
D&C - borderline
Moo - Not exactly. Client does not tell me what to do on a daily basis. Yes they will ask me to focus on things but then they leave me alone to decide whats the best.
Even HMRC has admitted in the past that employed skilled workers have some leeway in D&C.
For example a property management company employes a plumber. The employer tells the plumber there is a sink to fit in property A and a broken tap to fix in property B but they need to do both jobs today. The company doesn't tell the plumber in what order to do the jobs and how to do them.
In regards to MoO if it's not within your agreed project scope why are you doing the work? If there is no work for you to do then you shouldn't be doing it unless you both explicitly agree an extension to your services. Yes you may have to go home for half a day or a couple of days without invoicing but it helps any IR35 defence you may need."You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JRComment
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Originally posted by SueEllen View PostDo a bit more research.
Even HMRC has admitted in the past that employed skilled workers have some leeway in D&C.
For example a property management company employes a plumber. The employer tells the plumber there is a sink to fit in property A and a broken tap to fix in property B but they need to do both jobs today. The company doesn't tell the plumber in what order to do the jobs and how to do them.
In regards to MoO if it's not within your agreed project scope why are you doing the work? If there is no work for you to do then you shouldn't be doing it unless you both explicitly agree an extension to your services. Yes you may have to go home for half a day or a couple of days without invoicing but it helps any IR35 defence you may need.Comment
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1/1000 chance of investigation
3/1503 chance of losing it
=1/501,000 chance of being proven inside
£0 penalties as you have an approved contract
Only risk is interest on the tax you "should" have paid anyway if you're proven inside
I'd take that betComment
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Originally posted by pr1 View Post1/1000 chance of investigation
3/1503 chance of losing it
=1/501,000 chance of being proven inside
£0 penalties as you have an approved contract
Only risk is interest on the tax you "should" have paid anyway if you're proven inside
I'd take that betComment
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