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[psychocandy]

It is our business if low level BAU techies are abusing the tax system and higher level consultants are caught in the cross fire.

And that isn't a dig at you.. its a statement of reality. Personally I would love a system that said less than 3-4x minimum wage definitely inside....

Where'd you get the idea that Im a low level BAU techie?

Yes I do some BAU work but its certainly not low level.

[psychocandy]

And PC is the one and only contractor to have ever done this?

Yep just me. If the cat had kittens I'd get the blame!

[psychocandy]

Why do you ask me you abuse the tax system if you're not interested in the answer?

It is other people's business in three ways:

1. To tax payers and public service users, it it important that everyone contributes according to the rules, so if you are underpaying, you are cheating everyone else.

2. To honest BAU temporary workers (either via brollies or inside IR35 Ltd), you are undercutting them and getting an unfair competitive advantage.

3. To genuine independent contractors, you are part of the problem that is leading HMRC to 'spoil it for everyone'.

NLUK - You are making one basic mistake here. You are, in effect, making a determination of my IR35 without seeing my contract, without taking a detailed look at my working practices, based just on and admission that I do some BAU work and IMHO I might be a bit borderline.

Hardly got all the facts...

[psychocandy]

He either doesn't know full well or won't acknowledge it because he doesn't want your other half sitting on his face and teabagging him with "I told you sos".

Be interesting to see how many contractors are like me though i.e borderline.

Saying that IPSE are happy to represent me if it all goes Pear shaped. Along with a lot of others in a similar situation.

If there was this widespread abuse by contractors like me, surely IPSE would be a bit more careful about who they agree to represent?

[psychocandy]

Of course he knows. He's just got this irritating entitlement mentality around the tax and welfare systems.

Oh no - not the welfare system again!

[psychocandy]

no actually in the opinion of one of the world experts in IR35, the CEO of QDOS whose business is winning IR35 cases. Not sure why you are getting so upset, maybe facts are too much for you?

Exactly, QDOS are another. Like someone said, there are LOADS of people in the same situation as me. Yep it is a bit borderline maybe but IPSE/QDOS dont seem too concerned.

I'd say though my situation whilst not watertight IR35 wise is much better than some.

[psychocandy]

An apology awaits PC if he works within the IR35 rules (to be outside IR35 if you see what you mean). So:

- Does he have a genuine RoS (almost certainly not)
- Does he work under D&C (yes)
- Does he have MoO - IR35: Mutuality of Obligation: what it is and what it is not :: Contractor UK (this one is harder, I think, but every day PC turns up to work and his 'client' will find him work to do and whatever that work is, PC will do - am I reading it wrong?)

The defence PC has seems to be that:

a) Other people do it.
b) He'll get away with it.

But that is hardly 'working within the law'.

RoS - yes but remains to be seen whether it would ever be practical to use I will admit.

D&C - borderline

Moo - Not exactly. Client does not tell me what to do on a daily basis. Yes they will ask me to focus on things but then they leave me alone to decide whats the best.

[northernladyuk]

Where'd you get the idea that Im a low level BAU techie?

Yes I do some BAU work but its certainly not low level.

Yep just me. If the cat had kittens I'd get the blame!

NLUK - You are making one basic mistake here. You are, in effect, making a determination of my IR35 without seeing my contract, without taking a detailed look at my working practices, based just on and admission that I do some BAU work and IMHO I might be a bit borderline.

Hardly got all the facts...

Be interesting to see how many contractors are like me though i.e borderline.

Saying that IPSE are happy to represent me if it all goes Pear shaped. Along with a lot of others in a similar situation.

If there was this widespread abuse by contractors like me, surely IPSE would be a bit more careful about who they agree to represent?

Oh no - not the welfare system again!

Exactly, QDOS are another. Like someone said, there are LOADS of people in the same situation as me. Yep it is a bit borderline maybe but IPSE/QDOS dont seem too concerned.

I'd say though my situation whilst not watertight IR35 wise is much better than some.

RoS - yes but remains to be seen whether it would ever be practical to use I will admit.

D&C - borderline

Moo - Not exactly. Client does not tell me what to do on a daily basis. Yes they will ask me to focus on things but then they leave me alone to decide whats the best.

Haven't you got a support ticket to deal with?

[PurpleGorilla]

Are you asking for tips?


Anyone who takes the bulk of their company income as dividends is 'abusing' the system. abusing

Say again!?!

Dividend tax + corporation tax = HMRC is doing alright.

[vetran]

Yep just me. If the cat had kittens I'd get the blame!

well they do have your ears!