Bicycle Lorry deaths

[TheCyclingProgrammer]

The barrier to owning one is low and there is no IQ test or preparation needed to get on one and get places effectively..

Yet the barriers to owning and using a car or other motor vehicle on the road don't seem to prevent the idiotic behaviour we see on the roads on a daily basis, from using mobile phones to speeding or simply just not having a clue about the rules of the road in general (how many people don't seem to grasp basic things like how to indicate at roundabouts (or at all) or yellow box junctions?).

[vetran]

Either.

As it seems it is lorries turning left then that doesn't seem to be correct.

The cyclist is going straight ahead and the lorry is making a manoeuvre.

[LondonManc]

As it seems it is lorries turning left then that doesn't seem to be correct.

The cyclist is going straight ahead and the lorry is making a manoeuvre.

But what happened first, the lorry indicating or the cyclist putting themselves in a position of danger?

[vetran]

But what happened first, the lorry indicating or the cyclist putting themselves in a position of danger?

that is a good point. However I was always taught weaker first & straight ahead first.

[LondonManc]

that is a good point. However I was always taught weaker first & straight ahead first.

Highway Code:

"Rule 72

On the left. When approaching a junction on the left, watch out for vehicles turning in front of you, out of or into the side road. Just before you turn, check for undertaking cyclists or motorcyclists. Do not ride on the inside of vehicles signalling or slowing down to turn left.

Rule 73

Pay particular attention to long vehicles which need a lot of room to manoeuvre at corners. Be aware that drivers may not see you. They may have to move over to the right before turning left. Wait until they have completed the manoeuvre because the rear wheels come very close to the kerb while turning. Do not be tempted to ride in the space between them and the kerb.

Rule 74

On the right. If you are turning right, check the traffic to ensure it is safe, then signal and move to the centre of the road. Wait until there is a safe gap in the oncoming traffic and give a final look before completing the turn. It may be safer to wait on the left until there is a safe gap or to dismount and push your cycle across the road.
"

My grandfather gave me one great piece of advice about driving. I'll paraphrase it as: "treat everyone else as though they're an idiot and the day you're right, it will save your life."

[TheCyclingProgrammer]

And yet councils still build infrastructure (feeder lanes to ASLs) that encourage cyclists to filter up the left to reach the front of the queue. They try to reach the front to get to the ASL (if it hasn't been blocked by a vehicle) and get caught out when the lights change.

[bobspud]

And yet councils still build infrastructure (feeder lanes to ASLs) that encourage cyclists to filter up the left to reach the front of the cue. They try to reach the front to get to the ASL (if it hasn't been blocked by a vehicle) and get caught out when the lights change.

I agree. The whole transportation system for London is broken. Adding cycle lanes that run down the blind side of the other road users was just a cruel joke to weed out the idiots that don't understand rules 72-74 being right and dead is a pointless exercise. The go to answer for cyclists when riding in London should be: "Would I be allowed to do this in a car?"

I was in Holborn last week and watched a girl on a bike try to use the cycle lane to undertake a bus that had its indicators on and was pulling(ed) into a stop. even when it was fully parked she was still trying to shuffle long in the foot of space between the wheel and the kerb.

There are a lot of drivers that are arsholes as well as stupid but the cyclists don't seem to want to protect themselves from that.

[LondonManc]

I agree. The whole transportation system for London is broken. Adding cycle lanes that run down the blind side of the other road users was just a cruel joke to weed out the idiots that don't understand rules 72-74 being right and dead is a pointless exercise. The go to answer for cyclists when riding in London should be: "Would I be allowed to do this in a car?"

I was in Holborn last week and watched a girl on a bike try to use the cycle lane to undertake a bus that had its indicators on and was pulling(ed) into a stop. even when it was fully parked she was still trying to shuffle long in the foot of space between the wheel and the kerb.

There are a lot of drivers that are arsholes as well as stupid but the cyclists don't seem to want to protect themselves from that.

Try Manchester you grumbling chunt.

[WTFH]

My dad posted my cycling proficiency test certificate to me the other day. I passed it in 1981.


Is cycling proficiency still taught in schools?

[TheCyclingProgrammer]

My dad posted my cycling proficiency test certificate to me the other day. I passed it in 1981.


Is cycling proficiency still taught in schools?

Its called Bikeability but its not taught in schools as standard. Should be IMO, but basic cycling training should also be part of the driving test IMO, if anything to teach some empathy and understanding of why cyclists do things like take a strong position in narrow lanes, cycle at minimum of 1m away from parked cars and don't always use cycle lanes.

https://bikeability.org.uk