[Merged]Brexit stuff

[tomtomagain]

Does it make me a better person - of course not.

Yes of course it does.

My lack of interest in cars is total. I've never attempted to fix or maintain mine myself. I've only ever owned 4 ( mid 40's now, got the first one when I was 24 ( 6 years after passing my test ) ). I buy one for around 10k ... keep it until it falls to bits and then buy another for 10k.

Anyway back to Brexit.

What does this CETA deal mean? The UK signed it off .... do we inherit it once we leave? Come to think of that, do we keep all the exiting agreements between the EU and others?

Can we not just save a whole load time and hassle on all sides by simply copying the document and Search 'n' Replace "Canada" with "UK".

If the deal is good enough and acceptable for Canada & EU ( including UK ) what's missing from it for the UK & EU relationship?

Anyone know? Anyone know how you become an international trade negotiator?

[The_Equalizer]

Yes of course it does.

My lack of interest in cars is total. I've never attempted to fix or maintain mine myself. I've only ever owned 4 ( mid 40's now, got the first one when I was 24 ( 6 years after passing my test ) ). I buy one for around 10k ... keep it until it falls to bits and then buy another for 10k.

We're at cross purposes - probably my fault. I agree with you.

[scooterscot]

Really? I've read some pretty awful stuff about Syria in the last few months..

Would that be the reduction in our arms exports making its way to the hands of terrorists?

[BlasterBates]

Yes of course it does.

My lack of interest in cars is total. I've never attempted to fix or maintain mine myself. I've only ever owned 4 ( mid 40's now, got the first one when I was 24 ( 6 years after passing my test ) ). I buy one for around 10k ... keep it until it falls to bits and then buy another for 10k.

Anyway back to Brexit.

What does this CETA deal mean? The UK signed it off .... do we inherit it once we leave? Come to think of that, do we keep all the exiting agreements between the EU and others?

Can we not just save a whole load time and hassle on all sides by simply copying the document and Search 'n' Replace "Canada" with "UK".

If the deal is good enough and acceptable for Canada & EU ( including UK ) what's missing from it for the UK & EU relationship?

Anyone know? Anyone know how you become an international trade negotiator?

Theoretically and some countries might indeed sign up to the same agreement, but why should they ? they will definitely consider wringing some further concessions from the UK in particular if the UK is sinking in Brexit problems.

Almost certainly countries will wait until the UK has left the EU before they start to negotiate as otherwise it is illegal, as the Australian trade minister found out after taking legal advice. The over arching WTO will see to that.

So yes they'll all be signing up to new deals but we shouldn't be surprised if the UK is seen as an "easy pickings" by countries less desperate to have a trade deal.

[scooterscot]

Are you suggesting that people who are obsessed with cars and for example have an expensive German make sitting on the drive are really just covering up for their own inadequacies?

That these people somehow measure their self-worth by the car they drive? And that they aspire to the fake lifestyles portrayed in countless TV car ads?

Believing that having a "better" car somehow makes them a better person, who's opinions are worth more than someone with a "worse" car ( or heaven forbid - no car at all! )

What a strange world we live in.


.... now I must go and fawn over the latest iDevice.

This thread really have turned in a strange direction.

I'm not dissing poor quality, living within your means. By all regard some of the most wealthy I know are penny pinching gits.

[tomtomagain]

otherwise it is illegal

How is it illegal? Who's the one judging? What's the punishment ( do we all have to sit on the naughty step )?

And actually, why should it be illegal if two countries want to negotiate an agreement to take effect on a certain date in the future?

Seems stupid to me. I can see that if you are in a Union that you cannot independently negotiate a deal with a 3rd party, but if you have given clear notice that you are leaving why shouldn't you?

What business is it of Brussels if the UK and Australia want to put in a place the work for a trade deal to be implemented post-Brexit?

[scooterscot]

How is it illegal? Who's the one judging? What's the punishment ( do we all have to sit on the naughty step )?

And actually, why should it be illegal if two countries want to negotiate an agreement to take effect on a certain date in the future?

Seems stupid to me. I can see that if you are in a Union that you cannot independently negotiate a deal with a 3rd party, but if you have given clear notice that you are leaving why shouldn't you?

What business is it of Brussels if the UK and Australia want to put in a place the work for a trade deal to be implemented post-Brexit?

Slam dunk proof Wrexiters din't even know what the EU was before voting to leave it.

[BlasterBates]

How is it illegal? Who's the one judging? What's the punishment ( do we all have to sit on the naughty step )?

And actually, why should it be illegal if two countries want to negotiate an agreement to take effect on a certain date in the future?

Seems stupid to me. I can see that if you are in a Union that you cannot independently negotiate a deal with a 3rd party, but if you have given clear notice that you are leaving why shouldn't you?

What business is it of Brussels if the UK and Australia want to put in a place the work for a trade deal to be implemented post-Brexit?

The WTO can give the EU leave to impose punitive tariffs to any country that breaks the EU trade agreement.

All trade agreements are administered by the WTO. You can't just sign any old trade agreement, there are rules and regulations administered by the WTO.

As much as the Brexiteers like to argue you can't simply sign any old deal with a third party. It also needs agreement from all members of the WTO.

The Brexiteers have a lot to learn about intenational trade. It's very complex and beyond most of the Eurosceptic "Bertie Woosters" in parliament to fully understand

[DodgyAgent]

The WTO can give the EU leave to impose punitive tariffs to any country that breaks the EU trade agreement.

This statement raises a number of interesting points.

Firstly why would we wish to be subsumed by an organisation that sees itself as doing this sort of thin
secondly what makes you think that the EU has the power to do this anyway/
Does it not occur to you that the EU needs trade with the UK more than the other way round

[eek]

Slam dunk proof Wrexiters din't even know what the EU was before voting to leave it.

Can you show some evidence to back up that assertion that we can't negotiate a deal with Australia before we finally leave the EU.

Sorry but I need proof before I can believe anything a contract breaking muppet states is true...