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Originally posted by WTFH View PostSo, you're saying that three elected councils were able to stop the EU from forcing something on them that they didn't want?
According to the Brexit campaign, that is impossible. :lol: ,etc.Comment
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And yet another reason why it'll be next to impossible for Turkey to join the EU. But according to the Wrexiters they'll be joining in a year or two."Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience". Mark TwainComment
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Originally posted by Old Greg View PostBut how could this possibly be true if the EUSSR is a superstate that has suppressed sovereign states?Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!Comment
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Westfalian Sovereignty isn't really workable in the modern world, no one is truly sovereign except possibly North Korea.Comment
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Originally posted by stek View PostWestfalian Sovereignty isn't really workable in the modern world, no one is truly sovereign except possibly North Korea.Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyoneComment
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostThere is a difference between giving away some sovereignty and giving it all away.
The UK has full sovereignty over its criminal justice system (Home Office), even after Brexit it will still be answerable to the European Court of Human rights.
The UK has full sovereignty over its foreign policy , i.e. it can declare war on whom ever it likes eg the Falklands, Iraq
The UK has full sovereignty over it's tax law apart from a minimum VAT level-
The UK has full sovereignty over it's education. It could abolish education tomorrow if it so choose.
...and the list goes on.
Only on trade agreements has the UK given up it's sovereignty.
If the UK does start signing trade agreements it will have to arrange some kind of impartial institution or court with whatever country it has an agreement and give up sovereignty as it does in any case to the WTO.I'm alright JackComment
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Originally posted by BlasterBates View PostThe only area of sovereignty Britain gave up to Europe is on trade and freedom of movement.
The UK has full sovereignty over its criminal justice system (Home Office), even after Brexit it will still be answerable to the European Court of Human rights.
The UK has full sovereignty over its foreign policy , i.e. it can declare war on whom ever it likes eg the Falklands, Iraq
The UK has full sovereignty over it's tax law apart from a minimum VAT level-
The UK has full sovereignty over it's education. It could abolish education tomorrow if it so choose.
...and the list goes on.
Only on trade agreements has the UK given up it's sovereignty.
If the UK does start signing trade agreements it will have to arrange some kind of impartial institution or court with whatever country it has an agreement and give up sovereignty as it does in any case to the WTO.
This is a key difference from California (from example) which does not have sovereignty on freedom of movement because it cannot leave the USA without the agreement of the USA.Comment
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The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't existComment
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Originally posted by BlasterBates View PostThe only area of sovereignty Britain gave up to Europe is on trade and freedom of movement.
The UK has full sovereignty over its criminal justice system (Home Office), even after Brexit it will still be answerable to the European Court of Human rights.
The UK has full sovereignty over its foreign policy , i.e. it can declare war on whom ever it likes eg the Falklands, Iraq
The UK has full sovereignty over it's tax law apart from a minimum VAT level-
The UK has full sovereignty over it's education. It could abolish education tomorrow if it so choose.
...and the list goes on.
Only on trade agreements has the UK given up it's sovereignty.
If the UK does start signing trade agreements it will have to arrange some kind of impartial institution or court with whatever country it has an agreement and give up sovereignty as it does in any case to the WTO.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7103031.html
Free movement of labour is enough of a loss of sovereignty on its own. Included in this "legislation" are all kinds of other associated "laws" that we have to abide by such as it is illegal to make EU doctors pass a language test prior to applying for a job in the NHS. Whereas it is perfectly OK to insist on such a test for non EU workers.Last edited by DodgyAgent; 27 October 2016, 09:15.Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyoneComment
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