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    Originally posted by scooterscot View Post
    Lost the argument, gets personnel -
    It was a joke shaggy

    Did you miss much school
    The Chunt of Chunts.

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      Originally posted by WTFH View Post
      So, you're saying that three elected councils were able to stop the EU from forcing something on them that they didn't want?
      According to the Brexit campaign, that is impossible. :lol: ,etc.
      Depends what it is. The UK and Germany were unable to stop Juncker being appointed.

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        And yet another reason why it'll be next to impossible for Turkey to join the EU. But according to the Wrexiters they'll be joining in a year or two.
        "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience". Mark Twain

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          Originally posted by Old Greg View Post
          But how could this possibly be true if the EUSSR is a superstate that has suppressed sovereign states?
          The EUSSR simultaneously can impose it's will over sovereign nations, and is utterly powerless. It's probably quantum.
          Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!

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            Westfalian Sovereignty isn't really workable in the modern world, no one is truly sovereign except possibly North Korea.

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              Originally posted by stek View Post
              Westfalian Sovereignty isn't really workable in the modern world, no one is truly sovereign except possibly North Korea.
              There is a difference between giving away some sovereignty and giving it all away.
              Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyone

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                Originally posted by DodgyAgent View Post
                There is a difference between giving away some sovereignty and giving it all away.
                The only area of sovereignty Britain gave up to Europe is on trade and freedom of movement.

                The UK has full sovereignty over its criminal justice system (Home Office), even after Brexit it will still be answerable to the European Court of Human rights.
                The UK has full sovereignty over its foreign policy , i.e. it can declare war on whom ever it likes eg the Falklands, Iraq
                The UK has full sovereignty over it's tax law apart from a minimum VAT level-
                The UK has full sovereignty over it's education. It could abolish education tomorrow if it so choose.
                ...and the list goes on.

                Only on trade agreements has the UK given up it's sovereignty.

                If the UK does start signing trade agreements it will have to arrange some kind of impartial institution or court with whatever country it has an agreement and give up sovereignty as it does in any case to the WTO.
                I'm alright Jack

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                  Originally posted by BlasterBates View Post
                  The only area of sovereignty Britain gave up to Europe is on trade and freedom of movement.

                  The UK has full sovereignty over its criminal justice system (Home Office), even after Brexit it will still be answerable to the European Court of Human rights.
                  The UK has full sovereignty over its foreign policy , i.e. it can declare war on whom ever it likes eg the Falklands, Iraq
                  The UK has full sovereignty over it's tax law apart from a minimum VAT level-
                  The UK has full sovereignty over it's education. It could abolish education tomorrow if it so choose.
                  ...and the list goes on.

                  Only on trade agreements has the UK given up it's sovereignty.

                  If the UK does start signing trade agreements it will have to arrange some kind of impartial institution or court with whatever country it has an agreement and give up sovereignty as it does in any case to the WTO.
                  The UK never gave up sovereignty on trade or freedom of movement, because the UK has always retained the power to leave the EU with a single act of the UK parliament.

                  This is a key difference from California (from example) which does not have sovereignty on freedom of movement because it cannot leave the USA without the agreement of the USA.

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                    UK economy grows 0.5% in three months after Brexit vote - BBC News

                    The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't exist

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                      Originally posted by BlasterBates View Post
                      The only area of sovereignty Britain gave up to Europe is on trade and freedom of movement.

                      The UK has full sovereignty over its criminal justice system (Home Office), even after Brexit it will still be answerable to the European Court of Human rights.
                      The UK has full sovereignty over its foreign policy , i.e. it can declare war on whom ever it likes eg the Falklands, Iraq
                      The UK has full sovereignty over it's tax law apart from a minimum VAT level-
                      The UK has full sovereignty over it's education. It could abolish education tomorrow if it so choose.
                      ...and the list goes on.

                      Only on trade agreements has the UK given up it's sovereignty.

                      If the UK does start signing trade agreements it will have to arrange some kind of impartial institution or court with whatever country it has an agreement and give up sovereignty as it does in any case to the WTO.
                      then there are these:

                      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7103031.html

                      Free movement of labour is enough of a loss of sovereignty on its own. Included in this "legislation" are all kinds of other associated "laws" that we have to abide by such as it is illegal to make EU doctors pass a language test prior to applying for a job in the NHS. Whereas it is perfectly OK to insist on such a test for non EU workers.
                      Last edited by DodgyAgent; 27 October 2016, 09:15.
                      Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyone

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