[Merged]Brexit stuff

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A "Government" acts upon the democratic wishes of the Electorate.

Never witnessed that in all my life, but fingers crossed this time around.

[shaunbhoy]

Never witnessed that in all my life, but fingers crossed this time around.

Cynic!!

[NotAllThere]

A "Government" acts upon the democratic wishes of the Electorate.

Nice ideal, but rather naive (and in common with the other brexiters in this thread, displays woeful ignorance).

Unless you have Swiss style democracy, the government does not act upon the democratic wishes of the Electorate. And even with Swiss style democracy it often weasels around the wishes of the electorate (Switzerland voted not to join the EU, so the federal government started a program of bilateral treaties with the EU - and even pay a shed load of dosh to the EU every year for the privilege).

British democracy is a representative parliamentary democracy. Generally, our democratic rights are limited to choosing who makes decisions on our behalf - we don't have a say in those decisions beyond that. The political parties are not even obliged to act on their manifesto promises.

While morally the government must trigger article 50, legally they don't have to. And we'll find out soon whether legally the question must be voted on in the House.

I think May is worried that if it did go to parliament, she might lose the vote, and then we'd have a real mess. Might even end up with a General Election before anything gets done - creating more uncertainty and damage to the economy.

[shaunbhoy]

Nice ideal, but rather naive (and in common with the other brexiters in this thread, displays woeful ignorance).

Only morons make sweeping generalisations!

[BrilloPad]

Nice ideal, but rather naive (and in common with the other brexiters in this thread, displays woeful ignorance).

DA - is that you?

Oh I forgot. He divides people into left and right wing. Please carry on with your bollox.

[NotAllThere]

DA - is that you?

Oh I forgot. He divides people into left and right wing. Please carry on with your bollox.

Only morons make sweeping generalisations!

Sensitive snowflakes these brexiters, aren't they?

[scooterscot]

I think May is worried that if it did go to parliament, she might lose the vote, and then we'd have a real mess. Might even end up with a General Election before anything gets done - creating more uncertainty and damage to the economy.

The uncertainty that would follow were the decision to leave be annulled would be the icing on the cake. Cameron might wish at that point he never sold his memoirs so cheaply. What a mess.

The first and foremost duty of a government is to establish the security of utilities and infrastructure. It feels like they're doing their very best to achieve the opposite.

[LondonManc]

While morally the government must trigger article 50, legally they don't have to. And we'll find out soon whether legally the question must be voted on in the House.

I think May is worried that if it did go to parliament, she might lose the vote, and then we'd have a real mess. Might even end up with a General Election before anything gets done - creating more uncertainty and damage to the economy.

Which is the only scenario under which a Labour government could become a reality. If the Tories campaigned on staying with Brexit, they'd kill UKIP off but would the gains from that be sufficient to get them over the line?

[BlasterBates]

Brexit: Australia rules out starting trade negotiations with UK until it leaves EU | The Independent

Major blow to Liam Fox. If Australia are not prepared to negotiate with the UK it is highly likely that no meaningful negotiations with any country will take place unti Brexit is completed.

This looks like the UK is on course to end up with no trade deals at all other than WTO terms unless the UK government grovels for an interim arrangement with the EU.

[Old Greg]

Brexit: Australia rules out starting trade negotiations with UK until it leaves EU | The Independent

Major blow to Liam Fox. If Australia are not prepared to negotiate with the UK it is highly likely that no meaningful negotiations with any country will take place unti Brexit is completed.

This looks like the UK is on course to end up with no trade deals at all other than WTO terms unless the UK government grovels for an interim arrangement with the EU.

No, that's not true. Stop talking the economy down.

Australian negotiators arrive to begin post-Brexit trade talks*