Eddie Izzard - weapons grade bell end or what?

[d000hg]

I'm not particularly interested in his views on politics, though I like the guy, so I can't be bothered to watch. Seems better than choosing to get all annoyed because someone in the world of entertainment (i.e. an artist) has idealistic left-wing views.

[SueEllen]

Any chance of some solid proof?

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If you don't think the terms used are a problem I suggest you go and have a conversation about them with people from those backgrounds. Oh and if you use those terms or similar on this site you will get banned.

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Edited to say their only MP, Douglas Carswell, hasn't made any racist comments and in fact p*ssed off with the rest of the party.

[SueEllen]

absolutely none.

As I said its the leftie policy shout racist and deny discussing immigration. Then eventually when even the ethnic minorities complain about immigration do something about it quietly.

I was actually finding links from those on the right in the media as well as the left and those owned by foreigners with no particular opinion.

[The_Equalizer]

Well yes he's spent his life suffering prejudice and ignorance. Still, labelling his views as a "hang up" is rather close-minded. Might as well say you've a hang-up about not trusting people claiming principles because of YOUR childhood.

I think you might have missed the emphasis of what I was saying. It's on record that Izzard suffered from bulling as a child. Perfectly understandable that he doesn’t want others to suffer in whatever form.

What I was trying to point out that his judgement is clouded as is his solution. Why so? Perhaps because humans have been knocking seven bells out of each other since day dot. I'm not sure that inviting the World and his wife to the UK is going to change such things - probably quite the opposite. His is an emotional response.

[vetran]

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If you don't think the terms used are a problem I suggest you go and have a conversation about them with people from those backgrounds. Oh and if you use those terms or similar on this site you will get banned.

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Edited to say their only MP, Douglas Carswell, hasn't made any racist comments and in fact p*ssed off with the rest of the party.

The only recorded negative one about Farage personally seems to substantiated by fact. Definitely a poor choice of words though.

FactCheck: is there a Romanian crimewave?

If he had said traveller would he be in trouble?

[The_Equalizer]

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I'll take the first two because they directly apply to Farage and not just general members of the party. Anyone could dig out unsavoury quotes from members of every UK party.

Anyway here's Channel Four's New FactCheck in response to the first one - the 'Romanian racial slur':

FactCheck: is there a Romanian crimewave?

Its conclusion:

"Met figures show that Romanians are disproportionately more likely to be arrested compared with the citizens of many other countries.

And Ministry of Justice figures similarly show that while the number of Romanians in UK prisons has fallen slightly over the last year, the number still remains large as a percentage of the likely total Romanian population."

The second link you've supplied is about:

"Ukip aide attempts to halt interview as Nigel Farage says people “know” which foreigners make good neighbours "

The quote that he got hauled over the coals for was:

"It was a stopper going out and we stopped at London Bridge, New Cross, Hither Green, it was not til we got past Grove Park that I could hear English being audibly spoken in the carriage. Does that make me feel slightly awkward? Yes it does."

Hardly an out-and-out racist.

Is your general premise is that people are the same the whole World over? I would suggest that different cultures and religions produce different environments. Nothing that you've posted suggests Farage is running some stealth National Front movement. You may find him abrasive, but I don’t think racist is something you can pin on him.

[Old Greg]

The only recorded negative one about Farage personally seems to substantiated by fact. Definitely a poor choice of words though.

FactCheck: is there a Romanian crimewave?

If he had said traveller would he be in trouble?

It's not just Farage personally though. He's leader of UKIP and UKIP signed up with Polish Congress in the Europe of Freedom and Direct Democracy bloc in the European Parliament. Strange bedfellow for not racists.

[Old Greg]

I'll take the first two because they directly apply to Farage and not just general members of the party. Anyone could dig out unsavoury quotes from members of every UK party.

Anyway here's Channel Four's New FactCheck in response to the first one - the 'Romanian racial slur':

FactCheck: is there a Romanian crimewave?

Its conclusion:

"Met figures show that Romanians are disproportionately more likely to be arrested compared with the citizens of many other countries.

And Ministry of Justice figures similarly show that while the number of Romanians in UK prisons has fallen slightly over the last year, the number still remains large as a percentage of the likely total Romanian population."

The second link you've supplied is about:

"Ukip aide attempts to halt interview as Nigel Farage says people “know” which foreigners make good neighbours "

The quote that he got hauled over the coals for was:

"It was a stopper going out and we stopped at London Bridge, New Cross, Hither Green, it was not til we got past Grove Park that I could hear English being audibly spoken in the carriage. Does that make me feel slightly awkward? Yes it does."

Hardly an out-and-out racist.

Is your general premise is that people are the same the whole World over? I would suggest that different cultures and religions produce different environments. Nothing that you've posted suggests Farage is running some stealth National Front movement. You may find him abrasive, but I don’t think racist is something you can pin on him.

National Front is not the comparison. Farage is not a fascist by any stretch. The charge is that he is racist or happy to align with racists within and outside the party.

[jamesbrown]

It's not just Farage personally though. He's leader of UKIP and UKIP signed up with Polish Congress in the Europe of Freedom and Direct Democracy bloc in the European Parliament. Strange bedfellow for not racists.

True but, OTOH, Hamface just got off the stage with Natalie Bennett. Politicians are pragmatists, fundamentally, which is why we don't value them greatly.

[NotAllThere]

No, next time you'll be using the British Passport holders queue.

Not when I'm coming into country other than the UK. Grief, I think some of you people have never travelled six inches beyond where you were born.