EU referendum: Boris and Gove pledge tough new immigration system after Brexit

[Old Greg]

Fair enough - I will concede that one. However it is hardly ever going to happen except in times of severe situation. The point that I allowed you to draw me away from is that we may want to restrict certain types of people from coming to the UK or to put it more positively we want only the people we need to come here. So if we have a situation of full employment (we currently do not) and we have trained 1 million people to be baristas and we still have a shortage then we might decide to let an additional 10,000 Polish students in to train to do these jobs.

And the UK Parliament has the power to close borders. So no need to Brexit, eh?

[VectraMan]

Fair enough - I will concede that one. However it is hardly ever going to happen except in times of severe situation. The point that I allowed you to draw me away from is that we may want to restrict certain types of people from coming to the UK or to put it more positively we want only the people we need to come here. So if we have a situation of full employment (we currently do not) and we have trained 1 million people to be baristas and we still have a shortage then we might decide to let an additional 10,000 Polish students in to train to do these jobs.

UK unemployment has mostly been falling at the same time that immigration has apparently been sky-rocketing. That and the fact that most immigrants are managing to find work here suggests that people we're getting are more or less the people we need anyway.

I can't see who we would want to restrict. Minimum wage means nobody doing unskilled work can be undercut, and if it's true that foreign workers work harder than UK workers then not allowing them in would be shooting ourselves in the foot. In our industry there's the threat of immigrant code-monkeys coming in and doing our jobs for £20K, yet these are the people the points based system would likely let in. But in IT being replaced by somebody abroad is a far bigger threat. So on these three points Brexit doesn't make any difference. Again it's box ticking: we can restrict who to let in, but we wouldn't.

[DodgyAgent]

And the UK Parliament has the power to close borders. So no need to Brexit, eh?

It does not have the power to discriminate about who we let in from the EU

[dx4100]

It does not have the power to discriminate about who we let in from the EU

They are making a net contribution of £20 billion.... What exactly is your problem with that?

[Old Greg]

It does not have the power to discriminate about who we let in from the EU

Yes it does. Parliament is sovereign.

[BlasterBates]

Yes it does. Parliament is sovereign.

absolutely

Powers of the UK to deport EU citizens

The UK has the power to prevent entry and deport citizens from the EU.

[SueEllen]

absolutely

Powers of the UK to deport EU citizens

The UK has the power to prevent entry and deport criminals from the EU.

And we can change the law to define who is a threat to our national security as long as it is applied equally to all EU citizens.

[BlasterBates]

And we can change the law to define who is a threat to our national security as long as it is applied equally to all EU citizens.

...and there is a general waffle clause about "public policy" which means just about anyone they don't like can be deported, they don't just have to have a criminal record.

[dx4100]

absolutely

Powers of the UK to deport EU citizens

The UK has the power to prevent entry and deport citizens from the EU.

but but but but.... we don't control our borders!!!!

Oh I have been talking bollocks all this time

..

[DodgyAgent]

UK unemployment has mostly been falling at the same time that immigration has apparently been sky-rocketing. That and the fact that most immigrants are managing to find work here suggests that people we're getting are more or less the people we need anyway.

I can't see who we would want to restrict. Minimum wage means nobody doing unskilled work can be undercut, and if it's true that foreign workers work harder than UK workers then not allowing them in would be shooting ourselves in the foot. In our industry there's the threat of immigrant code-monkeys coming in and doing our jobs for £20K, yet these are the people the points based system would likely let in. But in IT being replaced by somebody abroad is a far bigger threat. So on these three points Brexit doesn't make any difference. Again it's box ticking: we can restrict who to let in, but we wouldn't.

There are still 1.7 million people in the UK unemployed. Starbucks can pay bottom end wages because they have a steady supply of people from the EU. IT workers from the EU do not give up their well paid jobs to come to the UK. If we take on 1 million EU workers we will create more jobs in serving those workers with services, food, health care etc etc.. Migration is self perpetuating entity.
If we had minimal migration we would be forced to pay attention to our own unemployed and our own children coming into higher education. Wages for retail, Starbucks etc etc would rise. We can then offer Visas for skills we really need but with a restriction on wages (as exists now for ICT workers). Less money spent on welfare of simply paying 1.7 million not to work.

As things stand employers (and government) can ignore our own people, use extra tax to pay our own people not to work (instead of investing in the infrastructure needed for a higher population)
As it is the migrants coming to the uK are not high earners and therefore pay very little tax anyway. We are simply assimilating a larger population of people and I repeat we offer e repository of low level jobs (now with a high wage) for every unemployed person in the EU. Not only that but we have the best "begging" pitches, benefits and other opportunities to encourage endless migration.
We should be controlling immigration on our own terms not on those dictated by unelected Bureaucrats. With Brexit we can at least hold our own governments to account over migration and stop the UK becoming home to 100 million people.