EU referendum: Boris and Gove pledge tough new immigration system after Brexit

[DodgyAgent]

Its a very good point. UK immigration problems are partially related to the EU.

FTFY

[dx4100]

What you are trying to do is to shift the argument into areas that are very difficult to define

Just because its difficult doesn't make it any less valid.... Or is difficult stuff too much for you ? As it would seem to be the case given what you have posted on the issue. Its not a simple issue.

What about workers who spend all day on CUK?

They still have to settle their corporation, VAT. income and national insurance commitments

[dx4100]

You seem to think business + personal tax income is greater than government expenditure, you might not be aware that is not the case. The whole country does not make a surplus so it is doubtful a lower earning subsection of the population is going to buck that trend.

And I would suggest this is where our true issues lie... The UK government not being fit for purpose... But that is another story altogether...

[DodgyAgent]

Just because its difficult doesn't make it any less valid.... Or is difficult stuff too much for you ? As it would seem to be the case given what you are posting on the issue. Its not a simple issue.



They still have to settle their corporation, VAT. income and national insurance commitments

So presumably you have also taken into account the money we spend on choosing to keep our own 1.7 million people unemployed whilst migrants carry out their jobs?

[Old Greg]

Here is a fag packet for you

Migration Watch UK | MW332 : Many East Europeans Work Hard But How Many Pay Tax?

. Many migrants might work hard but, when they work at or close to the minimum wage, as is the case for nearly half of those from Eastern Europe, they pay very little in tax and many will make no contribution at all. Research claiming that recent EEA migrants contribute far more than they receive critically failed to take any account of income levels in estimating the cost of the means-tested benefits. In fact, as this paper shows, those with families may receive far more from the taxpayer in cash benefits than they pay in tax and National Insurance.

Do they have some kind of VAT and fuel duty exemption?

[dx4100]

So presumably you have also taken into account the money we spend on choosing to keep our own 1.7 million people unemployed whilst migrants carry out their jobs?

UK unemployment still at ten-year low, falling by 60,000 - BBC News

Considering migration is such an issue for you how do you deal with the fact that it keeps falling ?

Also, you do understand that those 1.7 million people include people temporary between jobs etc... Its not like we have the same 1.7 million sat on there arse for the rest of their lives

[dx4100]

Do they have some kind of VAT and fuel duty exemption?

Good point...

Its like people who say I never used benefits the day after visiting their GP....

[Old Greg]

So presumably you have also taken into account the money we spend on choosing to keep our own 1.7 million people unemployed whilst migrants carry out their jobs?

If 1.7 million foreign workers left the UK and took their families with them, then the economy would be smaller, so there would not be a shortage of 1.7 million workers.

[Old Greg]

Good point...

Its like people who say I never used benefits the day after visiting their GP....

That is not a benefit.

[Old Greg]

For the third time its a tulip way of looking at things...

To say they don't contribute tax is as dumb as it is wrong... They pay little or nothing from their personal earnings but its clear to anyone with a primary school understanding of economics and business that any worker makes a contribution far beyond their pittance pay and subsequent tax take.

We're starting to get somewhere now.