EU referendum: Boris and Gove pledge tough new immigration system after Brexit

[DodgyAgent]

There are 2 million UK citizens in the EU and 3 million EU citizens in the UK, that means after 40 years of membership we have a net increase of 1 million.

At this rate it will take 1500 years for the population to reach 100 million because of the EU.

You have a point - almost Net migration to UK rises to 333,000 - second highest on record - BBC News

net migration is currently running at 300,000 a year which represents a city the size of Liverpool that needs to built every year. All this would be fine if EU economies were peaking and troughing at different times. They are not. Instead countries like Poland and Romania are getting smaller because within the EU there is little economic growth of any substance. The whole purpose of free movement was a really good idea. When an economy does well it pulls in investment - usually when it is coming out of a recession where costs of labour and property are reduced- and it pulls in labour.
The EU is destroying economies for the sake of its own ideology. It is papering over its failures by shifting the unemployed to the UK and Germany. This is not what the free movement of labour was all about

[The_Equalizer]

I'm sure you can use google, the criticism is not hard to find, for a start the number never included the cost of public sector services like health and police which I would think would be crucial in an accurate final costing.

The author was the same chap who came up with the 13,000 migrants a year from the EU estimate, which is only out my a magnitude of 14. Anything he produces should be filed under pish.

Ultimately I doubt EU migrants benefit the UK overall because very few people actually create a surplus. 750 billion a year public sector spend, 70 million people. That means each migrant must put in 10k of tax. When you consider the family sizes there is no chance we see a net benefit.

There's always a figure of about £32K banded about that before you're a net contributor to the tax system. I don't know how this squares with a large influx of low skilled, low waged people being of benefit to the economy. Perhaps it means of benefit to business, but not the tax payer?

[DodgyAgent]

That is pretty useless fag packet reasoning... You are falling for the same failure you accuse the report as having...

If a low wage worker screws tops onto toothpaste... They enable that toothpaste company to make billions and pay (or probably avoid) millions in tax....

Simply looking at person tax contribution is a pretty tulip measure.

Here is a fag packet for you

Migration Watch UK | MW332 : Many East Europeans Work Hard But How Many Pay Tax?

. Many migrants might work hard but, when they work at or close to the minimum wage, as is the case for nearly half of those from Eastern Europe, they pay very little in tax and many will make no contribution at all. Research claiming that recent EEA migrants contribute far more than they receive critically failed to take any account of income levels in estimating the cost of the means-tested benefits. In fact, as this paper shows, those with families may receive far more from the taxpayer in cash benefits than they pay in tax and National Insurance.

[dx4100]

There's always a figure of about £32K banded about that before you're a net contributor to the tax system. I don't know how this squares with a large influx of low skilled, low waged people being of benefit to the economy. Perhaps it means of benefit to business, but not the tax payer?

Its a tulip way of looking at things... Any "worker" is contributing to their business, who is contributing to the economy and contributing to a tax take far beyond the amount taken from their personal pay.

[BrilloPad]

There are 2 million UK citizens in the EU and 3 million EU citizens in the UK, that means after 40 years of membership we have a net increase of 1 million.

At this rate it will take 1500 years for the population to reach 100 million because of the EU.

Its a very good point. UK immigration problems are not related to the EU.

[DodgyAgent]

Its a tulip way of looking at things... Any "worker" is contributing to their business, who is contributing to the economy and contributing to a tax take far beyond the amount taken from their personal pay.

What you are trying to do is to shift the argument into areas that are very difficult to define
here is one for you
What about workers who spend all day on CUK?

[The_Equalizer]

Its a tulip way of looking at things... Any "worker" is contributing to their business, who is contributing to the economy and contributing to a tax take far beyond the amount taken from their personal pay.

Unless they're working for Starbucks

[dx4100]

Here is a fag packet for you

Migration Watch UK | MW332 : Many East Europeans Work Hard But How Many Pay Tax?

. Many migrants might work hard but, when they work at or close to the minimum wage, as is the case for nearly half of those from Eastern Europe, they pay very little in tax and many will make no contribution at all. Research claiming that recent EEA migrants contribute far more than they receive critically failed to take any account of income levels in estimating the cost of the means-tested benefits. In fact, as this paper shows, those with families may receive far more from the taxpayer in cash benefits than they pay in tax and National Insurance.

For the third time its a tulip way of looking at things...

To say they don't contribute tax is as dumb as it is wrong... They pay little or nothing from their personal earnings but its clear to anyone with a primary school understanding of economics and business that any worker makes a contribution far beyond their pittance pay and subsequent tax take.

[dx4100]

Unless they're working for Starbucks

True story ^

[minestrone]

That is pretty useless fag packet reasoning... You are falling for the same failure you accuse the report as having...

If a low wage worker screws tops onto toothpaste... They enable that toothpaste company to make billions and pay (or probably avoid) millions in tax....

Simply looking at person tax contribution is a pretty tulip measure.

You seem to think business + personal tax income is greater than government expenditure, you might not be aware that is not the case. The whole country does not make a surplus so it is doubtful a lower earning subsection of the population is going to buck that trend.

Migrants that working the often NHS don't make business revenue, McDonalds, Starbucks, Pret etc which are filled to the roofs with EU migrants don't pay business tax in the UK.