EU Referendum: Do we enough information to take the correct decision?

[dx4100]

I suppose the equivalent is nasty little quislings for the remains.

You are Boris Johnson and I claim my £10

[DodgyAgent]

Sadly not, although it largely remains a fact regarding most outers.... It doesn't take much pushing before you get them ranting like a BNP activist. Farage and his croonies are notoriously bad at hiding their true feelings for example.

I think smearing people who want to put a brake on migration is a lazy and cowardly way of making an argument (it actually avoids the argument). It is not unreasonable to assume that those that defend the EU have no problem with a completely open doors immigration policy.
The purpose of the open doors policy was to give the EU more labour mobility. What it has done is to cover up the failings of the EU by making the UK, Germany repositories for the unemployed. In the USA labour mobility is vital to the prosperity of the country. In areas that are doing well labour moves to. This mobility allows for different states and (in the EU case) different countries to move economically at their own pace.
What is happening in Europe is that those that are mobile are unskilled and lack the skills that are really needed (IT being one). They move to the UK not to further their career but "to get a job". Many of these people send money home rather than spend it in the UK . This of course reduces poverty and unemployment in the rest of the EU much of which is caused by the EURO. The establishment know this because it props up the EU by hiding one of its main failings. people who smear these arguments and those that make them as racist are really quite pathetic.

[scooterscot]

What it has done is to cover up the failings of the EU by making the UK, Germany repositories for the unemployed. .

Are you just floating that or do you know that to be fact?

I know for a fact here in Germany the unemployed non-German citizens but from other EU countries are return to the country of origin free of charge. And it's not an aggressive action either.

[dx4100]

I think smearing people who want to put a brake on migration is a lazy and cowardly way of making an argument (it actually avoids the argument). It is not unreasonable to assume that those that defend the EU have no problem with a completely open doors immigration policy.
The purpose of the open doors policy was to give the EU more labour mobility. What it has done is to cover up the failings of the EU by making the UK, Germany repositories for the unemployed. In the USA labour mobility is vital to the prosperity of the country. In areas that are doing well labour moves to. This mobility allows for different states and (in the EU case) different countries to move economically at their own pace.
What is happening in Europe is that those that are mobile are unskilled and lack the skills that are really needed (IT being one). They move to the UK not to further their career but "to get a job". Many of these people send money home rather than spend it in the UK . This of course reduces poverty and unemployment in the rest of the EU much of which is caused by the EURO. The establishment know this because it props up the EU by hiding one of its main failings. people who smear these arguments and those that make them as racist are really quite pathetic.

When its a proven fact that EU migration is a net benefit to the UK economy and you still don't want it to happen. Then it comes down to something else. Something much darker.

My experience of grown up debates on the issue is the fast start falling apart when the outers start talking about Romanian mafia gangs and hordes of pick pocketing migrants coming to sweep the land and take all psychocandys JSA and all the usal FUD. Because talking about numbers, and figures doesn't help them. Because by any measure they contribute and more than cover themselves being here.

The outters can't come up with one rational view point on the issue. The best stab is a "drain" on services. It quickly falls apart when you take into account they aren't accessing many services outside of the usual School and GP visits and the UK has structural problem with these things well before any form of migration is taken into account. Putting the blame totally on piss poor UK governments you guys want to give more power!!!!

[jamesbrown]

croonies

Racist!

[VectraMan]

The purpose of the open doors policy was to give the EU more labour mobility. What it has done is to cover up the failings of the EU by making the UK, Germany repositories for the unemployed. In the USA labour mobility is vital to the prosperity of the country. In areas that are doing well labour moves to. This mobility allows for different states and (in the EU case) different countries to move economically at their own pace.
What is happening in Europe is that those that are mobile are unskilled and lack the skills that are really needed (IT being one). They move to the UK not to further their career but "to get a job". Many of these people send money home rather than spend it in the UK . This of course reduces poverty and unemployment in the rest of the EU much of which is caused by the EURO. The establishment know this because it props up the EU by hiding one of its main failings. people who smear these arguments and those that make them as racist are really quite pathetic.

How is people coming to Britain to "get a job" different from labour moving to areas that are doing well in the US? It's the same thing. If we're going to talk about the US perhaps the lesson should be that when you're a rich country trying to prevent an influx of foreign workers from your poorer neighbours is futile. We don't have anything like the problem with illegals that they have, and their only answer (Trump notwithstanding) seems to be to make them all legal.

It may be a bit of a wishy washy liberal ideal, but part of the aim of the EU is to even out the prosperity in Europe, which is of course why we as a rich country pay in more than we get out. That is ultimately the best and probably the only way to deal with the issue of migration.

[Chuck]

It may be a bit of a wishy washy liberal ideal, but part of the aim of the EU is to even out the prosperity in Europe, which is of course why we as a rich country pay in more than we get out.

They want to bring us down to their level?

[DodgyAgent]

Are you just floating that or do you know that to be fact?

I know for a fact here in Germany the unemployed non-German citizens but from other EU countries are return to the country of origin free of charge. And it's not an aggressive action either.

If you search on the internet you will see data that supports my view. The type of jobs being filled are low skilled.Yes we need care workers and taxi drivers in Portsmouth but what is happening is that employers want them to work for nothing so there is no upward pressure on pay rates.

[scooterscot]

If you search on the internet you will see data that supports my view.

So you're floating it.

[vetran]

You are Boris Johnson and I claim my £10

you get £10 for your sperm donations from your posting history I think 10p is bit steep.

Well you smear people without any evidence.