EU Referendum: Do we enough information to take the correct decision?

[rl4engc]

Prey tell me what punitive laws have been forced upon the UK that's causing us such grief?

How about the right of a country to deport terrorists? Or take your pick from any of these policy areas we no longer control.

[scooterscot]

How about the right of a country to deport terrorists? Or take your pick from any of these policy areas we no longer control.

What back to Ireland, Leeds, Jihad John back to London?

[scooterscot]

How about the right of a country to deport terrorists? Or take your pick from any of these policy areas we no longer control.

I'm rather glad our government cannot exploit those other polices.

[jbond007]

I'm rather glad our government cannot exploit those other polices.

This I don't get. Why is it that people argue that they are happy for EU to make decisions but not their own justice system ? Surely, if it is a matter related to a particular country, their government stands the best chance of understanding the situation. This works with other democracies (USA, Australia, Canada, NZ, etc). They don't subscribe to a central court which can overrule what their own countries highest court decides.

I mean at the end of the day, EU courts are filled with people appointed by politicians and the same for UK Supreme court (in one way or another). So, why is trusting EU better than UK justice system ? Why shouldn't the UK supreme court have the final say on matters relating to the UK ?

[d000hg]

The sad thing is that it'll be a rigged vote. Remain will win and nobody will have a clue who voted for them.

I'm genuinely curious - are you really that stupid or just trolling?

Notice that all these arguments are an appeal to emotional validations. Not reasoning.

As are the arguments pro-Brexit. Nobody knows what will happen if we leave other than that uncertainty is always bad for markets.

As has been pointed out here over and over again, the "jumping into the unknown" aspect applies equally, if not more so, to staying in.

Staying in will NOT mean "keeping things as they are", and people who assume it will simply betray their utter lack of insight and imagination.

Nothing ever stays the same. But change within the EU would be gradual and more predictable. We have decades of history demonstrating this. Your argument "there is some uncertainty whichever way we go so leaving can't be worse than staying" is simply flawed, there is qualitatively far more uncertainty and change ahead if we leave. Now that doesn't mean it'd be worse, it just means it's a higher-risk option. That means the potential reward has to be much greater to make it worthwhile, but more conservative people will never want to play a high-risk game.

Look at the Scotland referendum. Things have changed afterwards but broadly they are pretty similar. On the other hand if Scotland had left, the subsequent crash in oil prices would have been devastating. That's an example of higher risk... what could be the comparable thing that would hurt a non-EU UK?

[DodgyAgent]

Nothing ever stays the same. But change within the EU would be gradual and more predictable. We have decades of history demonstrating this. Your argument "there is some uncertainty whichever way we go so leaving can't be worse than staying" is simply flawed, there is qualitatively far more uncertainty and change ahead if we leave. Now that doesn't mean it'd be worse, it just means it's a higher-risk option. That means the potential reward has to be much greater to make it worthwhile, but more conservative people will never want to play a high-risk game.

Look at the Scotland referendum. Things have changed afterwards but broadly they are pretty similar. On the other hand if Scotland had left, the subsequent crash in oil prices would have been devastating. That's an example of higher risk... what could be the comparable thing that would hurt a non-EU UK?

We have history to prove that the change will be destructive and out of our control.

[rl4engc]

but more conservative people will never want to play a high-risk game.

The high-risk game is remaining shackled to a sinking ship, and the gradual break up of the EU once the first nations start leaving (hopefully UK first). This and the inevitable civil unrest which always follows a breakdown in democracy.

The low risk option, and the road to much greater prosperity (we can create our own free-trade agreements with China, India, Canada, Australia etc.) is to leave. We are an Island nation, it's in our nature to trade and what's more we're fooking good at it.

[DodgyAgent]

The high-risk game is remaining shackled to a sinking ship, and the gradual break up of the EU once the first nations start leaving (hopefully UK first). This and the inevitable civil unrest which always follows a breakdown in democracy.

The low risk option, and the road to much greater prosperity (we can create our own free-trade agreements with China, India, Canada, Australia etc.) is to leave. We are an Island nation, it's in our nature to trade and what's more we're fooking good at it.

Just as long as I get my 20%

[PurpleGorilla]

One thing I don't understand is how I keep hearing that all the young want to vote remain. And it is the older voters who favour vote leave.

Do young people not want the housing market to crash?

Do young people not want to be ruled by an undemocratic plutocracy?

[meridian]

The high-risk game is remaining shackled to a sinking ship, and the gradual break up of the EU once the first nations start leaving (hopefully UK first). This and the inevitable civil unrest which always follows a breakdown in democracy.

The low risk option, and the road to much greater prosperity (we can create our own free-trade agreements with China, India, Canada, Australia etc.) is to leave. We are an Island nation, it's in our nature to trade and what's more we're fooking good at it.

What makes you think that the UK can ever create a free trade agreements with those countries? They manufacture far more than we ever can, so we would need to put trade barriers in place to prevent any local manufacturing (what little there is left) from being swamped.