EU Referendum: Do we enough information to take the correct decision?

[PurpleGorilla]

The European Council is made up of the heads of state, so the Spanish Prime minister will have blocked it, in the same way the Uk blocked getting the Euro for themselves.

People have a lot to learn about how much power heads of state have over EU legislation they don't like.

Nothing gets passed without the heads of states getting together and agreeing on it, which is what the European council is, i.e.elected government ministers.

And we want more of this tulip?

[PurpleGorilla]

Ok, read it, so majority of MEPs voted, good, I'd support that ban too. Guess what, a lot of time voting in UK Parliament does not make Govt do things exactly as voted, that's normal bulltulip in democracy.

Seriously!

[AtW]

And we want more of this tulip?

Yes, it makes people learn how to negotiate rather than change seat boundaries to claim win in election and then do what they please.

I don't trust cretins who run UK Govt, there is a need for higher level checks on them, particularly in legal area.

Seriously!

Yes, seriously, this tulip happens all the time in most democracies.

[dx4100]

Leaving the EU would make no odds. Any important EU worker/researcher/academic would be granted a work permit, no probs post Brexit. If they meet the grade and want to stay, they could be offered perm residency after a number of years.

The inners seem to think no one from the EU would be allowed in or allowed to work here, it's a joke. They just need to apply and if they meet the points level, they can have a work permit.

You make it sound so simple.... While anyone with half a brain can spot that the process will be complex and to the point it will put a lot off...

Vote to leave and damage the UK for ever... Or to put it in simple terms for the out campaigners... Vote Leave = Vote Silly

[PurpleGorilla]

Yes, it makes people learn how to negotiate rather than change seat boundaries to claim win in election and then do what they please.

I don't trust cretins who run UK Govt, there is a need for higher level checks on them, particularly in legal area.



Yes, seriously, this tulip happens all the time in most democracies.

28 countries negotiating couldn't get out of a paper bag. Greek crisis, euro crisis, migrant crisis, terrorism crisis. Seriously; it is a joke.

The EU is anything but democratic.

http://youtu.be/f0wFii8klNg

[LondonManc]

Yes, it makes people learn how to negotiate rather than change seat boundaries to claim win in election and then do what they please.

I don't trust cretins who run UK Govt, there is a need for higher level checks on them, particularly in legal area.

Yes, seriously, this tulip happens all the time in most democracies.

Anywhere you'd prefer to live?

[DodgyAgent]

You don't know anything about living in a proper totalitarian regime so you saying is utter rubbish.

I like very much the idea of being able to easily move to any EU country and settle there without having to get visa or just take contract work, this site is supposedly contractors, but it's full of turkeys voting for Xmas - what kind of idiot contractor votes to LIMIT choice of work _AND_ retirement?

Probably the sort of contractor that has considered human behaviour and looked at how human beings behave in groups. These same contractors have probably also looked at Soviet and Russian societies and said to themselves "we don't want that". I wonder how many Russian and Soviet citizens just acquiesced into letting their countries be run by totalitarian regimes. They probably thought like you that it was in their short term interests to do so.
The reason you are here enjoying the rule of law and free democracy is because millions of people gave their lives over the last century. These same people that understood the fight for freedom and delivered that freedom also recognised that there were hapless people (who one may argue should have remained and fought for their own freedom) around the world who were not so fortunate and that maybe deserved a chance to flourish under their system and so invited them to join only to be told that we should surrender our democracy to the very system they escaped from in the first place. Because it is "Turkeys voting for Christmas" - as apposed to spineless voting for themselves.

[DodgyAgent]

Anywhere you'd prefer to live?

It is not as if we are holding him here against his will

[dx4100]

It is not as if we are holding him here against his will

I would happy kick the likes of you out and replace you with hard working polish people

[jbond007]

You make it sound so simple.... While anyone with half a brain can spot that the process will be complex and to the point it will put a lot off...

Vote to leave and damage the UK for ever... Or to put it in simple terms for the out campaigners... Vote Leave = Vote Silly

I believe both sides of the campaign are using fear to get people to vote. Both sides come up with sound bytes/headline knowing only a few will actually read the details behind it.

Having said that, I'm not sure I agree with what you've said above. If you look at USA for example, most of these techie companies will have a fair share of immigrants (non-US citizens/non-Greencard holders) working for them. They will give out visas to highly skilled professionals they need

Surely, a similar system can be adopted in the UK whereby if Microsoft need someone from Germany, they should be able to sort out a visa.

FYI ... I still am not sure which way to vote, will probably decide closer to time. I can see pros/cons for both sides, will need to decide which way to go