Junior doctors

[mudskipper]

I want Doogie Howser MD!

Feck me, he's 42 now. I feel

[d000hg]

Working on Saturday and even Sunday is not the thing it used to be. There's no particular reason you shouldn't have Tuesday as your day off, it's not like we all go to church on Sunday any more.

It's having to work LONG hours and long weeks that is the issue, and how unpredictable your schedule is, not what times/hours. If one day you're working 9-5 and the next 3-11, this is pretty tough.

[d000hg]

If they don't like it go and work for someone else

FIFO

Of course they've already put in N years of hard work, accumulated big old debts, so this isn't that helpful. It's not like recruitment where training takes 1/2 a day and all you have to invest in your career is £1.20 in some hair gel.

[DodgyAgent]

. It's not like recruitment where training takes 1/2 a day and all you have to invest in your career is £1.20 in some hair gel.

They only get free hair gel when they hit target

[SimonMac]

Terrible state of affairs.

"Normalising" unsociable hours and weekends as part of the "normal" working week is disgusting.

Just because it has happened in industry doesn't make it right and those whinging and crying saying "we have to work weekends" blah blah blah need to give their pussy heads a shake.

They work weekends and stay in the office doing unpaid overtime because they are an arse licking tulipbag who hasn't had the nuts to say "screw you pay me"!

"When I was a lad" overtime was 1.5x for evening or Satdi and 2x for Sunday, no sympathy for fannies who work Christmas day for £8 odd an hour, stay in bed and stop undercutting your brother and sister.

Stay strong Jnr Docs. Screw Hunt, so what if he imposed his manky contracts on future docs, you tried, let the Polish lad and Lass do it for same pay as a warehouseman, go and work in Austrailia and get a laid back lifestyle and let us all die of gangrene....

Simple solution would be to only be ill Mon-Fri so there is no need for Dr's to work weekends

[NickFitz]

Usual reminder that the term "Junior Doctor" covers doctors for between five and fifteen years or even longer, depending on specialism and various other factors, after they first qualify as a doctor. I wouldn't be surprised if the cardiologist who carried out my emergency angioplasty - at around 7pm on a Sunday evening, for those who believe Hunt's bulltulip about weekend cover - was officially categorised as a "junior doctor" as I don't think he was more than forty or so years old.

[d000hg]

Usual reminder that the term "Junior Doctor" covers doctors for between five and fifteen years or even longer, depending on specialism and various other factors, after they first qualify as a doctor. I wouldn't be surprised if the cardiologist who carried out my emergency angioplasty - at around 7pm on a Sunday evening, for those who believe Hunt's bulltulip about weekend cover - was officially categorised as a "junior doctor" as I don't think he was more than forty or so years old.

The pay spine (!) is still very steep though.

[SueEllen]

Terrible state of affairs.

"Normalising" unsociable hours and weekends as part of the "normal" working week is disgusting.

Just because it has happened in industry doesn't make it right and those whinging and crying saying "we have to work weekends" blah blah blah need to give their pussy heads a shake.

They work weekends and stay in the office doing unpaid overtime because they are an arse licking tulipbag who hasn't had the nuts to say "screw you pay me"!

"When I was a lad" overtime was 1.5x for evening or Satdi and 2x for Sunday, no sympathy for fannies who work Christmas day for £8 odd an hour, stay in bed and stop undercutting your brother and sister.

Stay strong Jnr Docs. Screw Hunt, so what if he imposed his manky contracts on future docs, you tried, let the Polish lad and Lass do it for same pay as a warehouseman, go and work in Austrailia and get a laid back lifestyle and let us all die of gangrene....

I'm suppose to be sympathetic to them but the coalition have screwed over every public sector employer they can except those who are senior civil servants, so why did the doctors think they were a special case? A lot of them voted for the Tories.

Anyway junior doctors are going back to the way it was before the government had to acknowledge they had to change doctors' hours otherwise they could be sued in the European Courts for not implementing the Working Time Directive.

The only thing they can do now is have a few doctors have breakdowns or worse then sue the Health Secretary over their contract. Years ago I met someone who was told by a top QC that they should sue one of the Secretaries of State over their working hours as the Working Time Directive hadn't been introduced in their sector. The person couldn't be bothered as they didn't want to spend the next 7 years having to randomly spend loads of time dealing with court papers.

[SueEllen]

Simple solution would be to only be ill Mon-Fri so there is no need for Dr's to work weekends

If you are that ill you can go to A&E.

Last time I checked if you were a medical emergency you can get treated in an NHS A&E department 24 hours a day 365* days of the year.




*366 on a leap year.

[SueEllen]

Usual reminder that the term "Junior Doctor" covers doctors for between five and fifteen years or even longer, depending on specialism and various other factors, after they first qualify as a doctor. I wouldn't be surprised if the cardiologist who carried out my emergency angioplasty - at around 7pm on a Sunday evening, for those who believe Hunt's bulltulip about weekend cover - was officially categorised as a "junior doctor" as I don't think he was more than forty or so years old.

Any any one who isn't a consultant is a junior doctor in hospitals. That means a registrar who has 15 years experience a junior doctor.