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    #51
    Originally posted by Troll View Post
    Did the EU budget audit ever get signed off?
    Yep, just like every budget since 2007.

    https://fullfact.org/economy/did-aud...ign-eu-budget/

    As in previous years, we've woken up to stories about the European Union failing to get a clean bill of health for its accounts.

    As ever, the truth is nuanced. The European Court of Auditors (ECA), an EU body set up to examine the accounts of the Union, signed off on the 2014 accounts as reliable—something it's done for every set of figures since 2007. But it did find that payments made were materially affected by error.

    It might sound counterintuitive that accounts can be signed off on as reliable while there are irregular payments being made. But the two can comfortably go hand in hand.

    When the ECA signs off on the accounts, it's saying that they were prepared according to international standards, and present a "true and fair" view of the EU's finances.

    The ECA is also asked whether the EU received income and made payments in line with the relevant rules and regulations. While income passed with flying colours, spending didn't.

    The EU budget contained €142.5 billion of spending in 2014. In every area of the budget (apart from administration), and overall, enough spending fell outside of the proper procedures to pass the 2% ‘materiality threshold'—the point at which the auditors view these ‘errors' as significant.

    Overall, 4.4% of the EU's spending didn't follow the rules and accordingly shouldn't have been paid out.

    This can cover quite a wide range of situations and isn't synonymous with waste or fraud, according to the ECA.

    For instance, one way to run afoul of the rules is to award an EU-funded contract directly without holding a proper bidding process. While generally this is a bad idea, it's not always the case that another firm would have been able to put in a lower bid.

    Other issues are recipients of funding claiming costs that aren't eligible under the rules, and farmers over-stating how much land they have.

    The ECA said that 22 of 1,200 transactions it inspected during the audit might have been fraudulent, and referred them for further investigation.

    The Times' "€133.6 billion" figure appears to be for total spending on things other than administration. While it's correct that spending in that €133.6 billion was "materially affected by error", it's not the case that the entire block of spending was "irregular or possibly illegal"; it just means that some of the spending within that total didn't follow the rules. The same could be said of the entire €142.5 billion EU budget.
    And of the UK budget....
    "Being nice costs nothing and sometimes gets you extra bacon" - Pondlife.

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      #52
      Originally posted by Lockhouse View Post
      It's about sovereignty. That's what we fought two World Wars for. Anyone voting in deserves everything that will inevitably follow.
      Two world wars we "won" with the help of the US, Australia, Belgium, Netherlands, Norway, Denmark Russia, French, numerous other Commonwealth countries etc.
      Originally posted by Stevie Wonder Boy
      I can't see any way to do it can you please advise?

      I want my account deleted and all of my information removed, I want to invoke my right to be forgotten.

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        #53
        Originally posted by barrydidit View Post
        Who the feck knows? Anything is possible, it's just a bunch of made up rules. What we can be pretty certain of is that nothing will happen if we vote 'everything is awesome'.
        That was a rhetorical question, the answer to which is likely "no," since there was much regret expressed about giving anyone an opt-out to the euro in the first place.

        In regards to my other point I was thinking of Germany as much as the Central European and Baltic states. They have a not-insignificant ethnic Russian population. Without the EU you think Putin would be above trying to use them to disrupt things? They're already protesting as a unit regarding recent events in Cologne.

        I'm hoping the threat of an antagonistic Russia will counter the nimby attitude towards the migrants to get the border states to toe the line on taking a quota of immigrants, but who knows, maybe they miss the iron curtain?

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          #54
          Originally posted by SimonMac View Post

          Not sure on this one, the market will still be there and that will be driven by demand as the demand won't change, people will just adapt to a new set of rules and hurdles to jump through
          Since the beginning of time people have always take the path of least resistance.
          "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience". Mark Twain

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            #55
            Originally posted by scooterscot View Post
            Since the beginning of time people have always take the path of least resistance.
            Since before that people have always been afraid of change and the unknown more
            Originally posted by Stevie Wonder Boy
            I can't see any way to do it can you please advise?

            I want my account deleted and all of my information removed, I want to invoke my right to be forgotten.

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              #56
              Originally posted by Lockhouse View Post
              It's about sovereignty. That's what we fought two World Wars for. Anyone voting in deserves everything that will inevitably follow.
              And since what follows is going to be good, it's nice to know we deserve it.
              Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!

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                #57
                I haven't really figured out what the proposals mean yet.


                It seems a little unfair that Cameron is able to renegotiate our membership of the EU as he sees fit, and we only get a referendum In/Out. What about all the people who don't WANT a renegotiated EU deal - for them there is no good option really!

                Shouldn't the referendum really be In - as is / In - new deal / Out?
                Originally posted by MaryPoppins
                I'd still not breastfeed a nazi
                Originally posted by vetran
                Urine is quite nourishing

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by d000hg View Post
                  I haven't really figured out what the proposals mean yet.


                  It seems a little unfair that Cameron is able to renegotiate our membership of the EU as he sees fit, and we only get a referendum In/Out. What about all the people who don't WANT a renegotiated EU deal - for them there is no good option really!

                  Shouldn't the referendum really be In - as is / In - new deal / Out?
                  And what about people who want to join the euro? Why didn't we get a referendum on that?

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by d000hg View Post
                    I haven't really figured out what the proposals mean yet.


                    It seems a little unfair that Cameron is able to renegotiate our membership of the EU as he sees fit, and we only get a referendum In/Out. What about all the people who don't WANT a renegotiated EU deal - for them there is no good option really!

                    Shouldn't the referendum really be In - as is / In - new deal / Out?
                    Nothing Cameron has asked for or got has any real substance. Much of what he "demanded" was already the case, it's just that now it's been reiterated in a single document. The changes he has got agreement to are window dressing.

                    It's political theatre for the benefit of the terrified middle Englanders that he wants to keep onside, and distract from the fact that Georges management of the economy is rapidly unravelling.
                    "Being nice costs nothing and sometimes gets you extra bacon" - Pondlife.

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by SimonMac View Post
                      Since before that people have always been afraid of change and the unknown more
                      That's always been the case. People are dumb. The person is smart.
                      "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience". Mark Twain

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