In or Out?

[FatLazyContractor]

Can we get a "I don't know enough yet" option?

Are you saying you know how to do this ? -> I like to shake andyw's mum all about

[SimonMac]

I get the impression that Call Me Dave, went in with such low expectations just so he can say "we have achieved something", most of which says that the status quo shall remain the same and no new fundamental things will happen unless the UK sign up to them, which is the exact position the UK is in now.

My view is biased as we have property in Spain, and I guess it will easier to flit between here and there while we are part of the EU, which is why an undecided sways to a stay in.

[barrydidit]

Out. Then we can start the negotiations proper.

[DimPrawn]

I thought this thread was about doing "in or out" with AndyW's mum

Sex manual for men:

In, out. Repeat if necessary.

[Troll]

(just - I lose franchise next year).

Darn...

Bloody foreigners

[scooterscot]

What I think the problem is...

1) We're a economy dependant on the commerce of property and retail therapy. Exports are poor. Services can go as quick as the came. And even the exports we have are belonging to foreign companies whose shareholders have little interest in protecting those of the business. Cadbury, Mini, so on...

2) The EU makes a law difficult to implement or is unfair for some states. We're the only EU country to follow new laws to the letter, and to our own detriment. Italy, for example, takes an à la carte approach. They've never given up their sovereignty. Somehow we believe we have. You don't need to vote out to claim your sovereignty. You've never lost it. We just don't act.

The EU needs change, no doubt about that. That change will come if the UK leaves. But with the UK outside and a changing EU on your doorstep, one we've no control over whatsoever. We need to be part of the solution rather than running away from the problem. When someone holds a gun to your head you pull out a bigger one. That's the British way.

[administrator]

My view is biased as we have property in Spain, and I guess it will easier to flit between here and there while we are part of the EU, which is why an undecided sways to a stay in.

We will still have passports and I am sure flights will still be coming and going!

Out. Then we can start the negotiations proper.

I thought an out vote would be that - out. No negotiations. Or do you mean negotiations in terms of how hard they want to bend us over for being quitters and trying to mess with their utopian super-power dream?

[VectraMan]

DaveB - I am like indecisive Dave from the fast show. Give me a good argument to stay in and I will wobble like FLC on a plate... I get the upheaval that leaving would create but I think the money we waste on the EU will help to cover us. Lots more public sector jobs to be had as well if we make the move, think of the contracts that would be created!

If we were to leave properly it would cost far more to renegotiate everything with the EU than any potential saving. But it won't happen because if we do leave we'll become part of the EFTA and pay exactly the same into the EU budget as we do now.

The "renegotiation" hasn't achieved anything though. Cameron hasn't done the pro-EU case any favours by doing this.

[scooterscot]

I thought an out vote would be that - out. No negotiations. Or do you mean negotiations in terms of how hard they want to bend us over for being quitters and trying to mess with their utopian super-power dream?

Do you think BMW will continue to manufacture mini's / Rolls Royce outside the EU on a out vote? From a business point of view there's a additional risk, why accept it?

[SimonMac]

We will still have passports and I am sure flights will still be coming and going!

Its more ownership, residency etc.