Time to privatise the NHS

[d000hg]

No, because immigrants get jobs and pay taxes like the rest of us NHS users. THey place a stress on infrastructure but not costs.

[DimPrawn]

No, because immigrants get jobs and pay taxes like the rest of us NHS users. THey place a stress on infrastructure but not costs.

Most immigrants are low earners, earning near tax allowance thresholds and receive tax credits, plus rent rebate, council tax reductions.

They are a net drain on all public services, especially health and education.

Wake up you idiot.

[Zero Liability]

It's obviously working in the US.

The US system is not 'private', in any real sense. It's similar to a PPP arrangement.

[d000hg]

Most immigrants are low earners, earning near tax allowance thresholds and receive tax credits, plus rent rebate, council tax reductions.

They are a net drain on all public services, especially health and education.

Wake up you idiot.

That's true of the population as a whole. That immigrants are a net drain is just something you copied from the UKIP website isn't it?

[SueEllen]

Dad is 81 only got one good eye. Had cataract surgery last surgery on the good eye. Turfed him out 9am friday morning practically blind. He lives alone, so of course, cant cook, cant read his tablet boxes, cant do his eye drops, cant used the phone, can hardly go to the toilet etc.

So I've been back and fore all weekend. Try to get some help. Must have argued with about 10 different people trying to get someone in to help him. Attitude you get back is not my problem, he should have stayed in hospital, more then my jobs worth.

My wifes a nurse, I know a lot of good nurses, but some of these people should be ashamed of themselves. /Rantover.

What you are complaining about is lack of social care.

Once you have had an op and otherwise healthily regardless of age it's up to your family, neighbours and friends to look after you. If they can't do it then it's left to the local council to arrange carers for you.

Now some of the people I've volunteered with have explained how sh*t this is. The carers are difficult to arrange and only have a few minutes The only carers who have treated them decently, regardless of the carers age, have all immigrant workers.

Leaving your dad in hospital to bed block is the wrong answer unless you want him to catch an infection and die quicker.

[NickFitz]

And answering to shareholders who require their business run properly.

Where "properly" is defined as "maximising financial returns to the shareholder" not "ensuring quality care for patients"

And paying taxes.

Like that's going to happen!

[NickFitz]

NHS is not value for money. It needs replacing.

My own experiences and those of family and friends have shown it to be shoddy at best. If it were the cheapeast health service in the World I could understand it, but it is not.

It is however a political sacred cow, so will continue to suck billions of tax payers hard earned whilst killing many of them needlessly.

Tax Research UK – The NHS – a stunningly cost effective supplier of high quality healthcare

Any deterioration in the cost-effectiveness of the NHS since then can be readily ascribed to the aforementioned process of stripping it down for parts to be sold off to the highest bidder whoever guarantees the best job for various Tory politicians a couple of years down the line.

[SueEllen]

I would cut out some of the treatments in the NHS like fertility treatment.

Spend the money on childhood leukaemia instead.

Money is already spent on cancers especially in the young.

The main issue, which would lower a lot of the costs, is getting GPs to recognise cancer symptoms quicker in children and young people so they can refer them.

[VectraMan]

The US system is not 'private', in any real sense. It's similar to a PPP arrangement.

Because even in the US they realised that privatised health care was leaving too many poor people to die than was palletable. Of course a lot of their cost goes on lawyers and malpractice insurance.

We should be looking at our neighbours (sorry Kippers, but it's true). The French pay a small amount every time they see a GP or consultant, with a state run fund (deducted from everyone's pay packet) picking up the bulk of the cost. Seems to work much better for them. Here we're so stuck on the socialist paradise ideal of healthcare being free to all that we're blinded by the realities. It could do a better job by more people if there was some degree of charging, but not so much that you get bankrupted by a serious illness.

[Zero Liability]

It was never privatised. They run an extraordinarily inefficient system, with a layer of private insurance cartels in between, but the system as a whole is a PPP hybrid system, with restrictions on the extent to which insurers can compete.

As for UKIP, I believe it was Farage who suggested looking to France and Holland.