Kicking Off in Paris Again

[NickFitz]

I would cease all trade with the ME until basic human rights are introduced. This should come from the UN. Basics such as;

War crimes
Geneva convention
Freedom from persecution
Female equal rights
LBGT equal rights
Right to education

Etc.

Once a set of rules is established, the UN can go in and enforce the peace.

Boots on the ground 10million troops if needed.

All ME countries, including KSA

And a pony

[EternalOptimist]

Are you talking about the US here?

no in the USA the birds have the right bear arms AND to bare arms

[WTFH]

What exactly was achieved by killing 130 innocent people? Anybody know? Could they not have used all that time and effort to target Assad instead ?

Please note, the following is not meant as supporting/justifying/condoning any act of murder, it is just a comment on it:



1. Terror. That's what terrorists like to do - cause peaceful people to be afraid.
2. Revenge. The Russian plane and the Paris attacks could be seen as revenge for recent bombings in Iraq/Syria
3. Kneejerk reaction. If, for example, France had immediately arrested all Muslims, then ISIL would have had more support, plenty of marketing fodder ("see this is what they want to do to us", etc) and been able to carry out further attacks to prove their point
4. Recruitment. Show of strength, here's what we can do, we need more people. Letting Muslims know that if they don't join ISIL they risk being attacked. (linked to points 1 & 3)
5. Finance. "We need your money to allow us to do more of this/prevent them from attacking again" etc.
6. Destabilisation. Governments may well become more extreme and pushed further to the right. Expect media to claim that anyone with a non-right agenda to be called an ISIL supporter. Expect TV personalities such as Trump to do well in future US elections. It's easier to have a fight with an extremist than it is with someone who wants to discuss with you, or try to reach an agreement with you. ISIL want a fight. They do not want peace, or Islam to succeed as both would affect their business strategy. So the solution is to have battles to push others to extreme reactions.

[MicrosoftBob]

no in the USA the birds have the right bear arms AND to bare arms

Bear arms???

[Martin Scroatman]

I wish the world was like Woodstock and we could all live as one big happy rainbow nation but, as evidenced back then by events such as Altamont and the Manson murders, these pie in the sky, Utopian hippy wet dreams always end in tears.

Now we have our leaders trying to transpose the same set of ideals on a global scale (though, for more nefarious reasons) and I think the events of Friday show us where this is headed.

The soft underbelly of the west is ripe for the taking and our enemies know it.

In the meantime, our pusillanimous leaders are too cowardly to do anything about it other than issue the usual platitudes.

CLOSE OUR BORDERS NOW!

[EternalOptimist]

Please note, the following is not meant as supporting/justifying/condoning any act of murder, it is just a comment on it:



1. Terror. That's what terrorists like to do - cause peaceful people to be afraid.
2. Revenge. The Russian plane and the Paris attacks could be seen as revenge for recent bombings in Iraq/Syria
3. Kneejerk reaction. If, for example, France had immediately arrested all Muslims, then ISIL would have had more support, plenty of marketing fodder ("see this is what they want to do to us", etc) and been able to carry out further attacks to prove their point
4. Recruitment. Show of strength, here's what we can do, we need more people. Letting Muslims know that if they don't join ISIL they risk being attacked. (linked to points 1 & 3)
5. Finance. "We need your money to allow us to do more of this/prevent them from attacking again" etc.
6. Destabilisation. Governments may well become more extreme and pushed further to the right. Expect media to claim that anyone with a non-right agenda to be called an ISIL supporter. Expect TV personalities such as Trump to do well in future US elections. It's easier to have a fight with an extremist than it is with someone who wants to discuss with you, or try to reach an agreement with you. ISIL want a fight. They do not want peace, or Islam to succeed as both would affect their business strategy. So the solution is to have battles to push others to extreme reactions.

you forgot to mention climate change. There are greenies out there who blame climate change for what happened in Paris, I sh!t you not.

[Martin Scroatman]

you forgot to mention climate change. There are greenies out there who blame climate change for what happened in Paris, I sh!t you not.

Yes, something to to with unfavourable weather conditions in the ME led to a poor harvest which led to poor people not having enough food which led to unrest which led to the perfect set of conditions for ISIS to set up shop.

Ask Charlotte Church....

[EternalOptimist]

Yes, something to to with unfavourable weather conditions in the ME led to a poor harvest which led to poor people not having enough food which led to unrest which led to the perfect set of conditions for ISIS to set up shop.

Ask Charlotte Mosque....

meanwhile other greenies are wondering of its a plot to make more profits for big oil. again, I sh!t you not

[DodgyAgent]

No, we source our oil from Russia, USA, Venezuela, North Sea, etc. and cut our usage dramatically.

You no doubt will be leading from the front by giving up your car

[meridian]

Please note, the following is not meant as supporting/justifying/condoning any act of murder, it is just a comment on it:



1. Terror. That's what terrorists like to do - cause peaceful people to be afraid.
2. Revenge. The Russian plane and the Paris attacks could be seen as revenge for recent bombings in Iraq/Syria
3. Kneejerk reaction. If, for example, France had immediately arrested all Muslims, then ISIL would have had more support, plenty of marketing fodder ("see this is what they want to do to us", etc) and been able to carry out further attacks to prove their point
4. Recruitment. Show of strength, here's what we can do, we need more people. Letting Muslims know that if they don't join ISIL they risk being attacked. (linked to points 1 & 3)
5. Finance. "We need your money to allow us to do more of this/prevent them from attacking again" etc.
6. Destabilisation. Governments may well become more extreme and pushed further to the right. Expect media to claim that anyone with a non-right agenda to be called an ISIL supporter. Expect TV personalities such as Trump to do well in future US elections. It's easier to have a fight with an extremist than it is with someone who wants to discuss with you, or try to reach an agreement with you. ISIL want a fight. They do not want peace, or Islam to succeed as both would affect their business strategy. So the solution is to have battles to push others to extreme reactions.

One other train of thought I've seen is that they are just as annoyed with the refugees leaving the ME as we are - something about the intelligent middle class of Syria rejecting their caliphate, it's seen as a snub for good Muslim people to be fleeing an Islamic state for the refuge of us decadent Westerners.

Hence the passport, hoping that it will reinforce and harden Western attitudes against the refugees.