10 dead in Yet Another US Shooting....

[SpontaneousOrder]

Areas of transit are a magnet for nutters as they will be killing/maiming complete strangers.

However in a school or college you expect your mentally ill fellow student not to do so as they either know you or know of you, plus in theory there are counseling services for them to use.

How many mass airport shootings/bombings do we hear of? And how many school shootings? And why do you say that one is a magnet for psychotic nutters while the other isn't? And doe's that stand contrary to the empirical evidence?

[xoggoth]

Why can't I get my GUN??? I want to shoot people, it sounds like fun!

[AtW]

If they can't allow guns in schools, then they can at least teach tactics of dealing with single shooter in a mass place - casualties can be reduced if victims don't act like lambs at slaughter.

[MarillionFan]

Meh?

In a bar in the US reading yet again about another shooting. Watched 'Putin' Black Super Lite talk about it all being 'routine' and Meh! As he said, routine, Meh!

Meh! NRA. Guns. Disillusioned youth. The reason I will never move my kids here.

Meh. Weak president.

[SueEllen]

How many mass airport shootings/bombings do we hear of? And how many school shootings? And why do you say that one is a magnet for psychotic nutters while the other isn't? And doe's that stand contrary to the empirical evidence?

The design of school and college campuses likely means armed guards wouldn't be effective to deter shooters. You could still shoot 10 people before a guard gets to the classroom. The fact the guard kills you in the end isn't a problem as now you are infamous in death.

Also notice I said transit not airports? Though I should have added in public spaces like streets and parking lots as well. The inside of airports are designed to make it hard to hide what you are doing.

Anyway this still means like in the incidents with Congress woman Gifford, outside Glasgow airport and on the Eurostar you are relying on people to tackle the assailant rather than waiting for help. You may be killed or maimed in doing so like on the Eurostar, but you will still be killed or maimed if you don't.

You can call people "nutters" but unless you know their medical records and are a psychiatrist you can't label someone as psychotic. Remember most killers go for the mental health angle to escape punishment or get a lesser punishment when in fact most of them are completely sane.

[NotAllThere]

Does that mean that we shouldn't have armed security at airports?

No, it means that passengers using airports shouldn't be armed.

The logic isn't terribly difficult, but let me spell it out for you. When I saw that there was only one (unarmed) security guard at the school, I expected someone somewhere to say that if the students had been armed, then this tragedy couldn't have happened.

There is nothing to suggest that I think it was correct that the guard should have not been armed. Have you been taking lessons in logic and analysis from your creationist relatives?

[TykeMerc]

NSFW video clip (swearing)

I was brought up with guns.
I held my own shotgun licence from the age of 13.
I was completely paying for mine and my fathers shooting as a teenager via shooting competition prize money.
I'm very experienced in the use of guns, including some of the really big ones that spit out feckloads of bullets very fast.
Many of the places I work at have guns on the premises and for the last decade at least have armed guards on the gates, hell at least one had anti aircraft installations on the roof.
I have VERY strong feelings when it comes to gun control.

All the above is true, but this Aussie bloke sums up how I feel about guns in the hands of the public:-

BE WARNED THIS BLOKE SWEARS A BIT (ok a f**kload), NOT SAFE FOR WORK

BE WARNED THIS BLOKE SWEARS A BIT (ok a f**kload), NOT SAFE FOR WORK

Ok, you need to watch it on Youtube directly due to the way it's restricted.

[SpontaneousOrder]

Also notice I said transit not airports? Though I should have added in public spaces like streets and parking lots as well. The inside of airports are designed to make it hard to hide what you are doing.

Curious that you said 'transit' directly in response to my question specifically about airports.

Anyway, Have there been lots of mass shootings in parking lots?

Anyway this still means like in the incidents with Congress woman Gifford, outside Glasgow airport and on the Eurostar you are relying on people to tackle the assailant rather than waiting for help. You may be killed or maimed in doing so like on the Eurostar, but you will still be killed or maimed if you don't.

So like Raoul Moat?
And the other two incidents in places with strict gun control?

I'm not sure how parity when it comes to random murders, between strict and loose gin control countries, say anything abut whether armed security should be present at places vulnerable to mass shootings.

You can call people "nutters" but unless you know their medical records and are a psychiatrist you can't label someone as psychotic. Remember most killers go for the mental health angle to escape punishment or get a lesser punishment when in fact most of them are completely sane.

You said that those places were specifically magnets for nutters. I think it's pretty safe to label a mass shooter of strangers as a nutter.

Anyway, almost ALL of them (the mass shooters in last few decades) were on SSRIs - which are well known to be linked to psychotic episodes in young people especially. Big pharma are in pulling govs strings though, of course.

[SpontaneousOrder]

No, it means that passengers using airports shouldn't be armed.

Well that would make the unarmed guard redundant.

But the correct response would have been:

I'm talking about the students - not the guard

Have you been taking lessons in logic and analysis from your creationist relatives?

That's bizarre.

[vetran]

Pastor on telly suggesting that the students should have been armed.

yeah cuz teenage hormones and a 9mm are such a good mix.