Officially pointless to vote UKIP

[d000hg]

UKIP's manifesto will include a promise to hold an in/out referendum on the EU. So in the fictional universe where they get into power, they could end up governing a nation who vote to remain in the EU anyway. In which case, all of their "fully costed" policies will totally fall apart since they rely on EU savings, and their very raison d'etre is lost.

What a joke. Surely voting UKIP is a vote to leave the EU and their policy should be "we WILL leave the EU".

You might as well vote Tory, that way you still get a referendum but they actually try to fix the relationship first, and have experience running a government.

A no-brainer really. UKIP have massively diluted their position and the best way for EU-skeptics t avoid a Labour-EU love-in is to vote Tory.

[FatLazyContractor]

Very fair point.

Without EU we will be begging on the streets of Dublin and Greece.

[OwlHoot]

You might as well vote Tory, that way you still get a referendum ...

What infantile naivete. Do you really think Cameron will go ahead with a referendum if he thinks he can possibly avoid or postpone it?

Also, it isn't just about a referendum. UKIP will re-negotiate the terms of our membership whether we remain in the EU or not.

[FatLazyContractor]

Also, it isn't just about a referendum. UKIP will re-negotiate the terms of our membership whether we remain in the EU or not.

Exactly how? Modus operandi?

[d000hg]

What infantile naivete. Do you really think Cameron will go ahead with a referendum if he thinks he can possibly avoid or postpone it?

Of course he will. I'm certainly not going to make my decision based on you pretty little feelings what he will do. A referendum is something they're been promising for a long time now, it's about the most central part of their manifesto and if they reneged they'd get crushed.

Also, it isn't just about a referendum. UKIP will re-negotiate the terms of our membership whether we remain in the EU or not.

No, that's the Tories. One of Farage's main arguments is that you CAN'T renegotiate the terms of EU membership, especially on free movement of EU nationals. Every time Cameron talks about "renegotiate, then hold a referendum on the new deal" Farage replies "there will be no deal".

UKIP supporters - cloud cuckoo land, the lot of you. Again - a vote for UKIP is a vote for Labour.

[vetran]

You mean a political party that is suggesting the best way forward is to leave an organisation we were never asked whether we wanted to join.
Is going to ask the electorate if that is what they truly want and you see that as a bad thing?

[ZARDOZ]

David Cameron ruled ruled out a coalition with the Lib Dems just prior to forming one. The man is a liar and will not deliver a referendum.

[Euler]

Do you really think Cameron will go ahead with a referendum if he thinks he can possibly avoid or postpone it?
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Plenty in his party who will insist on it.

Also, it isn't just about a referendum. UKIP will re-negotiate the terms of our membership whether we remain in the EU or not.

Yes we've seen examples of their negotiating skills viz. the EU.
They make the Greek economics minister look like a subtle Machiavelli.

[SlipTheJab]

You mean a political party that is suggesting the best way forward is to leave an organisation we were never asked whether we wanted to join.
Is going to ask the electorate if that is what they truly want and you see that as a bad thing?

Has to happen, right to freedom of movement with respect to working in the EU, yes, the right to rock up anywhere and start claiming all the benefits you can lay your hands on (including Child Benefit for your family that you've left behind) etc, no, that needs to change.

[Avalonia]

We will NOT get a referendum