Obvious common sense policy for Britain

[vetran]

Quite. So UKIP are proposing the "freeish movement of knowledgeable people"? Who defines "freeish and "knowledgable"?
Politicians?

yes at the request and with the best interests of all the electorate in mind.

[Euler]

So you are saying that everyone in the City needs to be able to travel freely to be able to sell a few shares or gamble on the Forex?

No I'm saying the City nominally relies on people with knowledge, its a knowledge economy.
In practical terms, the City thrives because London is a magnet for global "talent". That is one of the reasons for its success.

[Euler]

yes at the request and with the best interests of all the electorate in mind.

So UKIP propose that only an elite cadre of highly educated people are allowed in.
In a couple of generations that will lead to a visible elite of non-natives.
What do you think will happen then?

In any case your argument is moot. Multinationals decide who works for them and where. If the government disagrees, they move elsewhere.
That's the reality of the 21st century, I'm afraid.

That's why "British jobs for British people" is such an empty slogan.

[alluvial]

No I'm saying the City nominally relies on people with knowledge, its a knowledge economy.
In practical terms, the City thrives because London is a magnet for global "talent". That is one of the reasons for its success.

Which just goes to show that you really are Sasguru and are stil spouting the same old ill-thought out bollocks as before.

[Euler]

Which just goes to show that you really are Sasguru and are stil spouting the same old ill-thought out bollocks as before.

You haven't really explained why my thought is bollux.
Are you saying the fact that london attracts some of the best and brightest people is NOT a factor in the City's success?
On what do you base that supposition?

[vetran]

So UKIP propose that only an elite cadre of highly educated people are allowed in.
In a couple of generations that will lead to a visible elite of non-natives.
What do you think will happen then?

They will interbreed and improve the local stock hopefully, the alternative is to let everyone in and then they avoid the locals and marry first cousins.
So long as most people have acceptable jobs and lifestyles the status quo will continue.

Of course the visible elite could just move to a tax haven with our business so it makes sense to leave them as a minority and keep the locals usable

In any case your argument is moot. Multinationals decide who works for them and where. If the government disagrees, they move elsewhere.
That's the reality of the 21st century, I'm afraid.

That's why "British jobs for British people" is such an empty slogan.

Multinationals will only bother deciding for people of high value, production line fodder so long as its of acceptable quality and not too expensive they will use whoever is available.

[alluvial]

You haven't really explained why my thought is bollux.
Are you saying the fact that london attracts some of the best and brightest people is NOT a factor in the City's success?
On what do you base that supposition?

No, you are contending that free trade necessitates the free movement of people and then go on to cite the success of the City as an example of this. You are now trying to support your arguement by stating that the City attracts some of the best and brightest people. The City may attract the best and brightest people and it may well be a factor in the success of the city but the link to the requirement to have freedom of movement is tenous at best.

[DodgyAgent]

So UKIP propose that only an elite cadre of highly educated people are allowed in.

Anything wrong with that?

[Euler]

They will interbreed and improve the local stock hopefully, the alternative is to let everyone in and then they avoid the locals and marry first cousins.
So long as most people have acceptable jobs and lifestyles the status quo will continue.

Of course the visible elite could just move to a tax haven with our business so it makes sense to leave them as a minority and keep the locals usable

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Maybe. Maybe not. History shows that in hard economic times, the visible alien elite will be scape-goated. Human nature.

Multinationals will only bother deciding for people of high value, production line fodder so long as its of acceptable quality and not too expensive they will use whoever is available.

That is exactly my point, we aren't talking about manufacturing any more which only employs about 8% of the Uk workforce anyway.
There is no "production line fodder" in IBs, software companies, consultancies, law firms and the like.
Almost everyone in those companies has to have a brain - and this requirement is only going to get more and more crucial.
Now since by definition at least 50% of any workforce is useless to these companies, they will only stay in places where they have access to "talent" - define "talent" as people with an IQ over 115 if you like. And no society can provide enough of its own talent.

In any case, in full employment Britain and Germany, almost all businesses even the 10% of manufacturing ones seem to need workers.

[Euler]

Anything wrong with that?

Yes since a large percentage of the labour shortage is for non-skilled labour.