Permie "Job security" is a myth

[Batcher]

What they normally do, have seen this at least three times now, they onshore all the Indians into the UK

Yes, and say that they had to due a skills shortage in IT.

[FatLazyContractor]

Yes, and say that they had to due a skills shortage in IT.

Which in a good number of cases, sadly, is true!

[eek]

Which in a good number of cases, sadly, is true!

Only because onshoring has kept wages so low that people escape to other things..

[SpontaneousOrder]

Rough combined experience with the firm about 60-70 years.
...
Probably 2-3 of them have marketable / relevant IT skills.

Deadwood. I don't want to say that they deserves it, but you reap what you sow.

[NotAllThere]

When that company changes IT director they will onshore but find it difficult to get the relevant skills.

And the new director will be on-shoring because the off-shoring deal will have turned out more expensive and producing a lower quality service.

[original PM]

And the new director will be on-shoring because the off-shoring deal will have turned out more expensive and producing a lower quality service.

who would have thought that changing the model from having people working for the company and sharing the companies goals to outsourcing the service to a company whose sole interest is making as much money as possible out of the contract would have had that impact....

[DodgyAgent]

Relax! We'll be there to fill the gap, for a reasonable fee...

Less my 20%

[vwdan]

Less my 20%

You can have whatever percentage you want on top of my day rate!

[Avalonia]

When I hear quotes like ' dead wood ' I think 'I hope you get outsourced and fired '. And I hope as many outsourced projects go tits up as possible

[d000hg]

Saying job "security is a myth" is a little disingenuous though. Sure, you don't have absolute security but you'd be a very unlucky (or useless) permie to end up with your average employment duration being under 3 years, not including cases where you quit. I don't know how long the average contract stint is - maybe a year? - but a contractor expects to find a new gig about once a year whereas a permie wouldn't. You will get unlucky sometimes and laid off, but on average you will still get much longer stints.