Confused Britain

[darmstadt]

A true cacophony of smearing. every party opposed to the consensus of the EU smeared in one go. What you do not seem to understand is that these groups are growing in popularity not because people support their extreme views but because they are the route to expressing disenchantment with the status quo. The same happened in the lead up to the coming of power of Hitler. People did not necessarily support the views of the Nazi party. Instead they supported it as a meaningful alternative to the status quo.

It is also fascinating that you bang on about democracy when the European Union is not a democratic institution at all.

You are indeed a little EU propagandist troll who continually and without fail trots out the propaganda of the European Union and just like the EU smears anyone who criticises it as Nazis and racists.
Only today we see in the Telegraph more evidence of the rampant self serving arrogance that illustrates the entitlement culture of those that run the EU:

To be fair to UKIP they may be taking their pay but they are having none of it and are seeking to undermine and satarise the whole corrupt shebang from within:

The scandal of Europe’s ever-expanding budget - Telegraph

And you're someone who smears anyone who doesn't agree with your blinkered version of what the world should be like

[vetran]

UKIP should do more, however their presence and success in the vote has made major parties reconsider the headlong run into the EU. People may want to leave the EU in its current incarnation but they may want to stay if it is willing to change. Up till now the attitude from our masters elected or un-elected has been "don't worry your pretty little head you can't possibly understand anything this complex".

Do you think Cameron would have offered a referendum or renegotiation if UKIP hadn't existed?

Note major parties have also had some very strange bedfellows.

[minestrone]

If I have to go through another referendum I am smashing every electronic communication device in the house.

[DodgyAgent]

What part of the European Project are you talking about?

Some of it is democratic just like are own government system whilst other parts are not just like our own government system.

The EU is made up of seven institutions only one of which is elected by the people of Europe

Institutions of the European Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[DodgyAgent]

UKIP should do more, however their presence and success in the vote has made major parties reconsider the headlong run into the EU. People may want to leave the EU in its current incarnation but they may want to stay if it is willing to change. Up till now the attitude from our masters elected or un-elected has been "don't worry your pretty little head you can't possibly understand anything this complex".

Do you think Cameron would have offered a referendum or renegotiation if UKIP hadn't existed?

Note major parties have also had some very strange bedfellows.

the "bedfellows" are chosen according to availability of choice. the large parties in the EU are part of the consensus that the UK wishes to challenge. So all that is available are the fringe parties many of who have dodgy policies and people representing them. Without other parties to collaborate with the UK will get nowhere. So what are they supposed to do?

[vetran]

the "bedfellows" are chosen according to availability of choice. the large parties in the EU are part of the consensus that the UK wishes to challenge. So all that is available are the fringe parties many of who have dodgy policies and people representing them. Without other parties to collaborate with the UK will get nowhere. So what are they supposed to do?

not complaining, I do think they should be a bit more circumspect but I understand alliances need to be made. At least they didn't link up with a pedophile organisation like some other parties.

[SueEllen]

The EU is made up of seven institutions only one of which is elected by the people of Europe

Institutions of the European Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So you didn't vote in the general elections in the UK then? The Council of Europe is made up of heads of state of the EU member countries. The rest are appointed from each member state, but last time I checked members of the the House of Lords in the UK are appointed, judges are appointed and heads of quangos who are in charge of important things in the UK are appointed.

Point I'm making is that EU governance is complex like what you are arguing with UK politicians in the European Parliament being in coalitions to push their views through.

Oh and what's more interesting is that UK politicians in separate coalitions will work together if they think it suits our, the UK's national, interests. UKIP by not turning up is not helping the UK's interests regardless of what coalition they are in.

And Farage is part of the same "them" that Clegg, Cameron and Miliband are part off. He can say what he likes because being elected for something is a bonus to him, just like for Clegg could until he ended up being in government. In fact if all UKIP members turned up we would see how useless some of them are.....

[darmstadt]

The EU is made up of seven institutions only one of which is elected by the people of Europe

Institutions of the European Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tsk tsk...

European Parliament - Its 751 members are elected every five years by citizens of the member states of the EU...

European Council - These are the group of heads of state or government of the EU member states who are elected by their citizens which means you voted for them doesn't it?

Council of the European Union - Consists of 10 different configurations of 28 different ministers who are the minister for that topic for their country. They tend to be elected representatives of that country, which means you voted for them doesn't it?

European Commission - The Commission is led by a President who is nominated by the Council (in practice the European Council) and approved by Parliament. The remaining 27 Commissioners are nominated by member-states but these must be approved by the Council of the European Union. The President is also proposed and elected by the Council of the European Union who you voted for

Court of Justice of the European Union - The panel is comprised of seven persons chosen from among former members of the Court of Justice and the General Court, members of national supreme courts and lawyers of recognised competence, one of whom is to be proposed by the European Parliament. Current members are: CURIA - Présentation des membres - Cour de justice de l’Union européenne. Mind you are judges democratically elected anywhere?

European Central Bank - It is composed of the President of the Bank, the Vice-President and four other members. They are all appointed for non-renewable terms of eight years. They are appointed "from among persons of recognised standing and professional experience in monetary or banking matters by common accord of the governments of the Member States at the level of Heads of State or Government, on a recommendation from the Council, after it has consulted the European Parliament and the Governing Council of the ECB". Much like a normal bank really and as Britain isn't part of the Euro currency fund then doesn't really affect you does it?

Court of Auditors - has no judicial powers and is in fact an independent institution.

[DodgyAgent]

Tsk tsk...

European Parliament - Its 751 members are elected every five years by citizens of the member states of the EU...

European Council - These are the group of heads of state or government of the EU member states who are elected by their citizens which means you voted for them doesn't it?

Council of the European Union - Consists of 10 different configurations of 28 different ministers who are the minister for that topic for their country. They tend to be elected representatives of that country, which means you voted for them doesn't it?

European Commission - The Commission is led by a President who is nominated by the Council (in practice the European Council) and approved by Parliament. The remaining 27 Commissioners are nominated by member-states but these must be approved by the Council of the European Union. The President is also proposed and elected by the Council of the European Union who you voted for

Court of Justice of the European Union - The panel is comprised of seven persons chosen from among former members of the Court of Justice and the General Court, members of national supreme courts and lawyers of recognised competence, one of whom is to be proposed by the European Parliament. Current members are: CURIA - Présentation des membres - Cour de justice de l’Union européenne. Mind you are judges democratically elected anywhere?

European Central Bank - It is composed of the President of the Bank, the Vice-President and four other members. They are all appointed for non-renewable terms of eight years. They are appointed "from among persons of recognised standing and professional experience in monetary or banking matters by common accord of the governments of the Member States at the level of Heads of State or Government, on a recommendation from the Council, after it has consulted the European Parliament and the Governing Council of the ECB". Much like a normal bank really and as Britain isn't part of the Euro currency fund then doesn't really affect you does it?

Court of Auditors - has no judicial powers and is in fact an independent institution.

If you were to draw a line between the electorate and those that run the EU you will find that in reality there is no democratic accountability at all.

[petergriffin]

If you were to draw a line between the electorate and those that run the EU you will find that in reality there is no democratic accountability at all.

What's the "democratic accountability" for the Queen, the House of Lords? Is the PM in this country elected directly by the people? No. he/she is appointed by the Queen.