Confused Britain

[vetran]

You miss the point again.

You want a repudiation of free movement of labour? Fine.

There's a price to pay for that, and that outweighs the supposed benefits. The price is that you also have to repudiate free movement of goods and services.

Are you prepared to pay that price? I'm not.

why is the price for managing immigration losing trade?

oh yes because the EU says so, its not willing to discuss it and so people hate the EU. Many people see the price of telling the EU to get stuffed is that we will buy less from them and thinking well we could buy it cheaper from India or China anyway.

The balance of trade is in the EU's favour so they are welcome to cut off their nose to spite their face if they wish.

[DodgyAgent]

You miss the point again.

You want a repudiation of free movement of labour? Fine.

There's a price to pay for that, and that outweighs the supposed benefits. The price is that you also have to repudiate free movement of goods and services.

Are you prepared to pay that price? I'm not.

Why? And when you say services do you mean these? We’re not the bad boys of Europe – just ask our ski instructors - Telegraph

[petergriffin]

why is the price for managing immigration losing trade?

oh yes because the EU says so, its not willing to discuss it and so people hate the EU. Many people see the price of telling the EU to get stuffed is that we will buy less from them and thinking well we could buy it cheaper from India or China anyway.

The balance of trade is in the EU's favour so they are welcome to cut off their nose to spite their face if they wish.

Foreign trade is not just about numbers, it's also about reputation.

If Britain leaves the EU only on the ground of immigration, it will be seen as a racist and bigoted country and this will hit our exports.

Thinking that you can get away with trading with Europe altogether is nonsense. Just see what is happening with EU sanctions against Russia: it's damaging the economies of both sides.

[petergriffin]

Why? And when you say services do you mean these? We’re not the bad boys of Europe – just ask our ski instructors - Telegraph

And your point is?

[DodgyAgent]

Foreign trade is not just about numbers, it's also about reputation.

If Britain leaves the EU only on the ground of immigration, it will be seen as a racist and bigot country and this will hit our exports.

Thinking that you can get away with trading with Europe altogether is nonsense. Just see what is happening with EU sanctions against Russia: it's damaging the economies of both sides.

It wont be on the grounds of "Only" immigration. Another nonsensical straw man argument. It is interesting how people like you look upon immigration as a racist issue. it is what has enabled labour to silence debate on their own open border policies that have caused this crisis.

A peerage for the man who dared to talk about immigration - Telegraph

[DodgyAgent]

And your point is?

The premise of your argument that we have free movement of services in the EU is wrong

[d000hg]

If Britain leaves the EU only on the ground of immigration, it will be seen as a racist and bigoted country

Immigration isn't about race. They don't want to block people based on their colour or race, or even their nationality (which isn't racism anyway). They want to block them based on other factors, or to block them regardless of all factors.

[Zero Liability]

The establishment is pretty much out of ammunition barring shrieking 'racism' over and over to make the immigration and EU issue go away, even though both concern the electorate and are positions now being aped by the Tories, and in part, the lib dems.

This piece of bitter nastiness is a good example:

Of course Ukip won't condemn its racist new partners, because Ukip is the cult of Nigel Farage - Telegraph

The issue is increasingly irrelevant MSM trolls and politician-trolls, like Umunna, are going to be ignored more and more, for the better. They can keep stamping their feet and yelling 'racism', but it's just transparently pathetic smear. The EU will no doubt keep the fear mongering up the more it perceives its parasitic presence in the UK to be at threat.

[vetran]

Immigration isn't about race. They don't want to block people based on their colour or race, or even their nationality (which isn't racism anyway). They want to block them based on other factors, or to block them regardless of all factors.

far too sensible its because we are all knuckle dragging racists doncha know?

That smear of all objections worked for Tony B'Liar who quadrupled net immigration.... I wonder why people are upset.

[darmstadt]

The establishment is pretty much out of ammunition barring shrieking 'racism' over and over to make the immigration and EU issue go away, even though both concern the electorate and are positions now being aped by the Tories, and in part, the lib dems.

This piece of bitter nastiness is a good example:

Of course Ukip won't condemn its racist new partners, because Ukip is the cult of Nigel Farage - Telegraph

The issue is increasingly irrelevant MSM trolls and politician-trolls, like Umunna, are going to be ignored more and more, for the better. They can keep stamping their feet and yelling 'racism', but it's just transparently pathetic smear. The EU will no doubt keep the fear mongering up the more it perceives its parasitic presence in the UK to be at threat.

So you're a supported of far right parties or would like to explain why that article is wrong?