Confused Britain

[petergriffin]

Top end skills and wages will stay in demand. However as the mid to low taxpayers (the majority) contribute about a half to a third of tax take if their wages fall then the top 1% & top 30% will be left paying all the tax, they have better accountants and will avoid paying resulting in a rapidly falling tax take.

You could improve on your punctuation, you know!

If I undestand correctly, the core of the problem is that people on low wages of any nationality and in any EU country have more chances to have their wages cut or lose their job altogether, regardless of how many immigrants are in the country.

Being in the EU is not just about immigration. There is a considerable part of the UK economy that depends on having freedom of goods and movement. Think about transport, tourism, finance, IT.

It's not just about buying cheap goods from abroad. It's about a constant flow of services which are exchanged every day in Europe.

[minestrone]

Having lived, worked and operated in 4 EU countries is not really a narrow experience.

No it is, you assume that anyone can just up sticks and work abroad on a laptop with skype.

The reality is that for a whole section of the UK population they have had their modest salaries reduced over the last 10 -15 years to the minimum wage because their employers have a greater resource pool to employ from and the immigrants are only too happy to take on minimum wage.

And don't try and pretend that wanting out of the EU is just a uniquely British point of view, if you go round Europe anti EU parties are rapidly becoming electable in many countries. They may manifest differently, in the poorer countries it is anti austerity, but the reality is that the EU will break up because it has failed on many levels and people don't want it anymore. The next Eurozone recession that is coming will be the end of it, Britain is just the leading edge on this going through new water.

[DodgyAgent]

Peanuts compared to the millions who acquired British citizenship via being former Commonwealth colonies.

And to the ones who say: let's get rid of the EU so that we can do trade deals with our "cousins" from the Commonwealth, here's a list of the largest Commonwealth countries by population:
- India , 1.26 billion
- Pakistan (180 million)
- Nigeria (170 million)
- Bangladesh (156 million)

Your point is?

[DodgyAgent]

You could improve on your punctuation, you know!

If I undestand correctly, the core of the problem is that people on low wages of any nationality and in any EU country have more chances to have their wages cut or lose their job altogether, regardless of how many immigrants are in the country.

Being in the EU is not just about immigration. There is a considerable part of the UK economy that depends on having freedom of goods and movement. Think about transport, tourism, finance, IT.

It's not just about buying cheap goods from abroad. It's about a constant flow of services which are exchanged every day in Europe.

You are as out of touch with the effects of mass immigration as the politicians who allowed it to happen and those that have tried to ignore it since. This is why millions are flooding to UKIP. Have you been told that there is no room in your local school for your children? have you had to wait in A&E with people most of who do not speak English? Do you have to wait 10 days for a doctors surgery appointment?

[petergriffin]

The reality is that for a whole section of the UK population they have had their modest salaries reduced over the last 10 -15 years to the minimum wage because their employers have a greater resource pool to employ from the immigrants are only too happy to take on minimum wage.

Wages have gone down anywhere in the Western world, regardless of immigration. Production has been shifted to China. Factories have almost disappeared. Unskilled office work has also been offshored. If Britain left the EU, what is left of British factories will just move abroad.

the immigrants are only too happy to take on minimum wage.

True dat, and also natives are not happy with minimum wages. That proves the point that they fill a gap left by the locals.

And don't try and pretend that wanting out of the EU is just a uniquely British point of view, if you go round Europe anti EU parties are rapidly becoming electable in many countries.

True dat, but at least they are honest and identify themselves for what they are, racist, fascist, holocaust deniers like the Polish MEP who joined ranks with UKIP in Brussels.

They may manifest differently, in the poorer countries it is anti austerity, but the reality is that the EU will break up because it has failed on many levels and people don't want it anymore. The next Eurozone recession that is coming will be the end of it, Britain is just the leading edge on this going through new water.

Oh, this mantra has been going on since 2009 and neither the EU, nor the Euro hasn't broken up yet. By the way I don't like any fiat currencies. I'm all ok for replacing the Euro with gold and silver.

Your point is?

Social issues are caused by British nationals of a certain religion, not EU immigrants.

[petergriffin]

Have you been told that there is no room in your local school for your children? have you had to wait in A&E with people most of who do not speak English? Do you have to wait 10 days for a doctors surgery appointment?

No, no and no. Maybe because I don't have to live in sh.tty suburbs.

[darmstadt]

You are as out of touch with the effects of mass immigration as the politicians who allowed it to happen and those that have tried to ignore it since. This is why millions are flooding to UKIP. Have you been told that there is no room in your local school for your children? have you had to wait in A&E with people most of who do not speak English? Do you have to wait 10 days for a doctors surgery appointment?

To answer your last 3 questions, nope (apart from the speaking English bit)! Maybe its just the UK as remember, Germany has a higher amount of immigrants than the UK.

[minestrone]

tulipe

Whatever.

[darmstadt]

And don't try and pretend that wanting out of the EU is just a uniquely British point of view, if you go round Europe anti EU parties are rapidly becoming electable in many countries. They may manifest differently, in the poorer countries it is anti austerity, but the reality is that the EU will break up because it has failed on many levels and people don't want it anymore. The next Eurozone recession that is coming will be the end of it, Britain is just the leading edge on this going through new water.

Quite true in some respects but have you noticed that most of these anti-EU parties are right wing, semi-fascist, semi-racist and more than slightly misogynistic? Maybe they want to break up the EU then they'll all join together and make another one using their ideals?

[petergriffin]

To answer your last 3 questions, nope (apart from the speaking English bit)! Maybe its just the UK as remember, Germany has a higher amount of immigrants than the UK.

Incidentally, I've been to Germany (NWR) last month and it was quite sh.te!