Salmond "We can take Scotland in two weeks"

[EternalOptimist]

I agree that the UK would need to treat with iScotland with goodwill, but iScotland wouldn't need a CU. It needs its own currency. This is from a recent Glasgow University report:

Scotland should create its own currency if independent, says new report - News - News - Voice of Russia UK, Voice of Russia - UK Edition

nope. you can see the way they are thinking
sterling = > groat => euro is too much change too fast

hang onto sterling as long as neccesary = > euro is much more acceptable

[Unix]

I agree that the UK would need to treat with iScotland with goodwill, but iScotland wouldn't need a CU. It needs its own currency. This is from a recent Glasgow University report:

Scotland should create its own currency if independent, says new report - News - News - Voice of Russia UK, Voice of Russia - UK Edition

I agree it would be better to have it's own currency. I think this will happen if rUK stick to their guns on a CU no happening. Reserves can be borrowed against future oil.

Those who saw the Daily Record front page might not remember this "pledge"

[TestMangler]

Minestrone, I was asking a civil question about figures you posted. No need to be a condescending twat.

Debt servicing IS included in your figures. It says so on your figures. Interest on debt based on population % is included.

So, the question was, are all Scottish taxation incomes included in that, or is it a rough population % based estimate ?

So, Minestrone. Did you read the guidance notes that go with the figures you quoted ?

First, you said that defence and debt servicing were not included in the figures, then you realised that they are. Fair enough, we all make mistakes.

Then you said that all the taxation figures were 'for the region'.

I'm assuming you've read the guidance notes, but in case you haven't I'll fill you in on one or two things, and you can work the rest out for yourself, assuming that you want to. Maybe you're just content that you know it all already.

So, for example, income tax, the biggest one. The figure used to create the gross estimate uses ONS stats, created by a survey of 600,000 UK tax payers and attributing a small percentage of that to Scotland.

The figures you quote are not measurements from the region. They are based on estimates and that goes for most of the taxation figures used to make up your figures. Some are actually real numbers that can be measured, like VED for example as it has the source data available. Tobacco and alcohol duty is also a population based estimate.

Before you call someone stupid and thick, as you have done on several occasions on this thread, you should probably at least have a loose grasp of the source of the information you are quoting.

[JustinTime]

nope. you can see the way they are thinking
sterling = > groat => euro is too much change too fast

hang onto sterling as long as neccesary = > euro is much more acceptable

Yes, this was my thinking some time ago, but the true plan was shamefully hidden from the scottish (sic) people.

[tomtomagain]

I think you're missing the point. Salmond doesn't want CU. He is just pretending to make a play for some of the DevoMax supporters.

Not missing it. The SNP want independence at any price. They don't care whether it takes 5 or 50 years for Scotland to recover from separation. They'll say anything to everyone to convince them to vote "Yes".

Currency Union? Of course we'll have one!

Keep all the oil? Definitely!

Be welcomed back into Europe? It's a certainty.

Maintain all the UK dependent jobs? Of course we will. Why wouldn't the UK place its future warship orders in Scottish shipyards? And if they don't why, we'll just build our own!

Will we be poorer? No, we'll be richer! The richest nation on the planet because we will be free from oppression!

A member of NATO? With our fine fighting force we'll be welcomed in with open arms.

Will taxes be higher? No! We will cut corporation tax!

The Queen? She'll be head of state.

The BBC? Don't worry, you'll still see Match of the Day.

Will it cost a lot to set up a new state? No ( actually, we're not telling you ) setting up a new state is trivial.

And of course society will be "fairer" . Because after all Scots are "Fairer" people than the English, Welsh or Irish. It's genetic.

[Old Greg]

nope. you can see the way they are thinking
sterling = > groat => euro is too much change too fast

hang onto sterling as long as neccesary = > euro is much more acceptable

The Euro is a massive risk for a country with EWNI as main export market. Ireland has suffered from a property crash and associated banking crisis and ill advised bailout. Alongside this, the UK devalued sterling against the Euro by 20% over two years, making Irish exports uncompetitive, and Ireland had no tools at hand to respond, because the decisions were made in Germany. iScotland cannot afford that. With its own currency and Central Bank, it has some options.

[JustinTime]

I agree it would be better to have it's own currency. I think this will happen if rUK stick to their guns on a CU no happening. Reserves can be borrowed against future oil.

Those who saw the Daily Record front page might not remember this "pledge"

Wasn't it the SNP that brought down the then Labour government (by all 11 over their votes?) that then brought Thatcher into power?
Hmm, that worked out well then.

[vetran]

Wasn't it the SNP that brought down the then Labour government (by all 11 over their votes?) that then brought Thatcher into power?
Hmm, that worked out well then.

it did down south!

[EternalOptimist]

The Euro is a massive risk for a country with EWNI as main export market. Ireland has suffered from a property crash and associated banking crisis and ill advised bailout. Alongside this, the UK devalued sterling against the Euro by 20% over two years, making Irish exports uncompetitive, and Ireland had no tools at hand to respond, because the decisions were made in Germany. iScotland cannot afford that. With its own currency and Central Bank, it has some options.

It may be a massive risk, but it may also be a precondition for them joining the EU.

[Old Greg]

Not missing it. The SNP want independence at any price. They don't care whether it takes 5 or 50 years for Scotland to recover from separation. They'll say anything to everyone to convince them to vote "Yes".

Currency Union? Of course we'll have one!

Keep all the oil? Definitely!

Be welcomed back into Europe? It's a certainty.

Maintain all the UK dependent jobs? Of course we will. Why wouldn't the UK place its future warship orders in Scottish shipyards? And if they don't why, we'll just build our own!

Will we be poorer? No, we'll be richer! The richest nation on the planet because we will be free from oppression!

A member of NATO? With our fine fighting force we'll be welcomed in with open arms.

Will taxes be higher? No! We will cut corporation tax!

The Queen? She'll be head of state.

The BBC? Don't worry, you'll still see Match of the Day.

Will it cost a lot to set up a new state? No ( actually, we're not telling you ) setting up a new state is trivial.

And of course society will be "fairer" . Because after all Scots are "Fairer" people than the English, Welsh or Irish. It's genetic.

Broadly I agree. Because behind it is the burning belief that this is a struggle for national liberation, so any lie is worth it.

Having said that, I reckon iScotland would do just fine, but the Yes campaign's tactics are profoundly anti-democratic and disrespectful of the people.