Salmond "We can take Scotland in two weeks"

[jemb]

The thick ones are the no voters who believe the liars saying there will be no CU.

The Tories and Labour have pledged to write into their manifesto yet, because Salmond says we'll get one, you beleive that a CU will happen.
It won't. It makes no political or economic sense for the RUK to enter into a Currenct Union.

The govenor of the Bank of England has stated that a currency Union is incompatable with another sovereign nation.

What else do you need?

Admit you are voting Yes because your heart says so - but accept the risks that it entails.....

[Batcher]

But here I think is the mindset of the hardcore nationalists whose life work is gaining independence : do they take the view:

1. This is about democracy so we must present the best case for independence to allow everyone to make up their mind so that the will of the Scottish people will prevail.

or

2. This is a once in a generation opportunity to liberate the nation from the English Tory yoke, so any half truth, deception or lie is justified, because we know what is best for Scotland.

It is a very tawdry affair.

By referring to nationalists you are again forgetting about the grassroots campaign that is about social justice in Scotland.

A lot of non-nationalists don't care about the currency because they are having to attend food banks to feed their kids. It doesn't matter to them what currency we use because they don't have any anyway due to the austerity measures Labour created, Tories implimented and Labour have said they will continue if they get in next.

We have WMD sitting on the Clyde and about to spend another £100 Billion to renew them. We spent a fortune going into illegal wars. MPs are trying to award themselves another 9-11% payrise while the rest of us struggling. The gap between rich and poor is greater than it ever was.

Independence can't be any worse than a lot of people already have.

[Old Greg]

By referring to nationalists you are again forgetting about the grassroots campaign that is about social justice in Scotland.

A lot of non-nationalists don't care about the currency because they are having to attend food banks to feed their kids. It doesn't matter to them what currency we use because they don't have any anyway due to the austerity measures Labour created, Tories implimented and Labour have said they will continue if they get in next.

We have WMD sitting on the Clyde and about to spend another £100 Billion to renew them. We spent a fortune going into illegal wars. MPs are trying to award themselves another 9-11% payrise while the rest of us struggling. The gap between rich and poor is greater than it ever was.

Independence can't be any worse than a lot of people already have.

Oh, I agree, and I think Scotland will do well as an independent state. But why then need to behave so dishonestly?

[Old Greg]

The thick ones are the no voters who believe the liars saying there will be no CU.

To ask again. Why would EWNI accept CU?

[scooterscot]

Originally Posted by scooterscot
There's 27 countries in the EU. You've picked three of the worst and actually Italy is doing no bad.

Italy unemployment rate 12.5%
Uk unemployment rate 6.5%

Italy GDP, 2.013 trillion USD (2012) population 60.9 million
UK GDP, 2.435 trillion USD (2012) population 64 million

So with the application of some simply math, the GDP ratio to active workers is almost identical between the two countries.

In other words, Britons are not as productive and live to work. Whereas iTalians work to live.

Who do you think the winner is here?

[BrilloPad]

A lot of non-nationalists don't care about the currency because they are having to attend food banks to feed their kids. It doesn't matter to them what currency we use because they don't have any anyway due to the austerity measures Labour created, Tories implimented and Labour have said they will continue if they get in next.

Independence can't be any worse than a lot of people already have.

What austerity? The UK still spends way more than it earns.

Think things can't get worse? Try moving to Greece.

If Scotland votes yes it will get worse for them. Much worse.

[jemb]

By referring to nationalists you are again forgetting about the grassroots campaign that is about social justice in Scotland.

A lot of non-nationalists don't care about the currency because they are having to attend food banks to feed their kids. It doesn't matter to them what currency we use because they don't have any anyway due to the austerity measures Labour created, Tories implimented and Labour have said they will continue if they get in next.

We have WMD sitting on the Clyde and about to spend another £100 Billion to renew them. We spent a fortune going into illegal wars. MPs are trying to award themselves another 9-11% payrise while the rest of us struggling. The gap between rich and poor is greater than it ever was.

Independence can't be any worse than a lot of people already have.

Food banks? Have you any idea what is happening in the rest of the UK? Pretty much the same.

...and yet the Yes campaign is selling a future that ignores the very real pain that will follow.

You, me, the rest of us are contractors - we'll survive. But that food queue will get longer and it's those poor sods that will suffer. It's totally tulip that the Yes campaign keeps peddling the 'it''l be fine line' when for a long time it will not be.

No CU, capital flight unemployment high borrowing costs may be a price that you and Salmond are prepared to pay. I'm not.

[Old Greg]

What austerity? The UK still spends way more than it earns.

Hasn't the UK been reducing its deficit?

[jemb]

Italy GDP, 2.013 trillion USD (2012) population 60.9 million
UK GDP, 2.435 trillion USD (2012) population 64 million

So with the application of some simply math, the GDP ratio to active workers is almost identical between the two countries.

In other words, Britons are not as productive and live to work. Whereas iTalians work to live.

Who do you think the winner is here?

Well the winners are those with a job.....and the unemployment rate is 2x the UK. That equates to another 2 million unemployed in the UK
Of course, you may well think that's ok and a price worth paying.....it isn't.

[eek]

I think they may as well vote YES. This is a comment today on the Scotsman website.

One of many I would expect..

Well, after a difficult board meeting yesterday today I start the sad task of relocating the business from Scotland to England formally.

The investors, primarily English based, have decided that no matter what the vote next week, continuing to trade as a Scottish business with primarily English customers is a risk too far for them. Even if the vote is NO they believe that too much damage has been done to the 'Scottish Brand' in the eyes of rUK/England. One of them even phoned me this morning to rant about Salmond comparing apartheid South Africa with the situation in Scotland. He, like many in England was deeply offended.

This, of course is his personal opinion, however the decision to relocate the business is purely a business decision and there was nothing I could say to avoid it being made. I was surprised as I had at least thought that they would wait until the result is known but the jitters in the financial markets and the increasingly hostile attitude of the mostly English customer base is a step too far. The final straw, apparently was the decision of a major Kent based customer to move their business to a firm based in England.

So, we will start to dismantle the business in Scotland, I have 20 jobs. Incumbents will be offered relocation or redundancy. The business will move its headquarters to our site in Northumberland. I have not decided whether or not to move as well. I am torn between my country and the business I put the last ten years of my life into.

I hope this scenario doesn't repeat itself with other businesses in Scotland. It also shows how, in a modern integrated country, our futures depend on the interest of 3rd parties who are, to a degree, beyond our control. They are only interested in their return on investment and will take action when they see a threat to this. Sadly, in our case they believe that the association with Scotland puts us at a commercial disadvantage with 80% of our customer base.

Thanks Alex.