How long will rofl harris get?

[SueEllen]

7 years.

Stuart Hall got 2.5 years for 2 counts and he pleaded guilty.

So around that.

[eek]

Stuart Hall got 2.5 years for 2 counts and he pleaded guilty.

So around that.

We guessed wrong last time around and were surprised by the length of Max Clifford's sentence/

I would be surprised if its not at the top end of the allowed sentence. As it really is not up to the court to decide if the person is well enough for jail, it should be up to the doctors in the jail..

[Unix]

I think what d000gh is getting at is do we really have free will?, if you had the exactly same life as Rolf with his body/brain/genes experiences etc you would probably have done the same as him. (See Sam Harris talk on free will). But does this mean we shouldn't punish those people?

[SueEllen]

I think what d000gh is getting at is do we really have free will?, if you had the exactly same life as Rolf with his body/brain/genes experiences etc you would probably have done the same as him. (See Sam Harris talk on free will). But does this mean we shouldn't punish those people?

So you are saying all men in the media are perverts and paedos?

[speling bee]

[QUOTE=Unix;1961137]I think what d000gh is getting at is do we really have free will?, if you had the exactly same life as Rolf with his body/brain/genes experiences etc you would probably have done the same as him. (See Sam Harris talk on free will). But does this mean we shouldn't punish those people?[/QUOTE]

Your question is irrelevant, because presumably we have no free will to decide whether or not to punish him.

[speling bee]

So you are saying all men in the media are perverts and paedos?

Starting to look that way. And politics. And the Church.

[SueEllen]

Starting to look that way. And politics. And the Church.

Case of not warning your kids of stranger danger but find out their occupation and then stay away from them completely.

[mudskipper]

I haven't followed the case enough to form an opinion. I don't even know what specifically he is supposed to have done under the term of "abuse", or what counts as abuse in the laws being used to try him.

I can understand not wanting to believe Rolf is guilty. He was a much loved avuncular figure of our childhoods, and we all watched him cry on animal hospital.

The jury heard all the evidence and unanimously found him guilty. According to one article, much of the detail was too unpleasant to be reported in the mainstream media. It does also seem like there may be yet be more cases to answer.

As the incredibly annoying Rantzen woman said : monsters don't get near children, nice men do.

[vwdan]

The full judgement should make for some interesting (if nauseating) reading.

[d000hg]

I think what d000gh is getting at is do we really have free will?, if you had the exactly same life as Rolf with his body/brain/genes experiences etc you would probably have done the same as him. (See Sam Harris talk on free will). But does this mean we shouldn't punish those people?

Not really. If we say pedo is a legitimate orientation then you are still responsible for controlling it. Just as a gay or straight person is responsible not to abuse men/women.

I think there is a separation between being a pedophile, and having some sort of sexual/abusive/violent compulsion. i.e. you get regular people who are gay, straight, and pedo in that that defines who they are attracted to. And you get people who have a compulsion to abuse others, which overlaps with their sexuality.

But then you also get people whose sexual orientation is to enjoy causing distress to others. Not as a compulsion, but just what they like.

It's all very messy.