Indian agencies

[ChimpMaster]

I don't get these calls any more but I receive the occasional LinkedIn opportunity for Senior Crap Architect Role with Crap package or Crap rate.

I have also turned down roles working for the Indian outfits at UK based clients, even where the rate/salary has been good (one was a 100k permie package). Seems that often these consultancies will only want to get a professional in to kickstart projects and look good at the client. They will then (ab)use contractors (or new senior permie) to handover all their knowledge to junior/inexperienced staff, who will then take over the role. Now I don't mind handovers and teaching client staff, but not when it's done underhand and to incompetent people - after all, that just makes the teacher look bad.

[AnthonyQuinn]

I don't get these calls any more but I receive the occasional LinkedIn opportunity for Senior Crap Architect Role with Crap package or Crap rate.

I have also turned down roles working for the Indian outfits at UK based clients, even where the rate/salary has been good (one was a 100k permie package). Seems that often these consultancies will only want to get a professional in to kickstart projects and look good at the client. They will then (ab)use contractors (or new senior permie) to handover all their knowledge to junior/inexperienced staff, who will then take over the role.

do you get to keep the permie 100k package after that (post transition) and while away your time?

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do you get to keep the permie 100k package after that (post transition) and while away your time?

Nope as soon as they can they will find a pretext and get shot of you....

[vwdan]

And crap rates.

I mean really crap.

I've been twice offered less than 2/3rds of my acceptable local (as in commutable from home) rate for abroad contracts. They then act really put out when you tell them that they're taking the piss. They're complete jokers and time wasters and I really do feel for anyone that goes the distance.

Has anyone else had a technical interview with them? I started to get bored after 30 minutes and openly argued the toss over the last question, because it was a deliberate trick question.

[psychocandy]

Nope as soon as they can they will find a pretext and get shot of you....

In fact, didnt someone post not that long ago how they'd taken a permie role and then failed the 3 months probation and got the boot?

[psychocandy]

I've been twice offered less than 2/3rds of my acceptable local (as in commutable from home) rate for abroad contracts. They then act really put out when you tell them that they're taking the piss. They're complete jokers and time wasters and I really do feel for anyone that goes the distance.

Has anyone else had a technical interview with them? I started to get bored after 30 minutes and openly argued the toss over the last question, because it was a deliberate trick question.

Yep. Had a couple of phone interviews - complete waste of time every time.

Mostly theres about 4-5 of them on the other end. Seems they then try to outdo each other asking the hardest, most obscure questions they can think of.

[psychocandy]

And also an attitude that they absolutely own you.

But thats the way they are used to. Worked with a few guys at one client who were on a visit from India. Cracking bunch of guys who were really keen and good to get along with.

BUT they were treated like tulipe by their employer. Employer tells them what to do and where they're going and they accept it. No arguments or you get the boot apparently.

Felt really sorry for one of them. 3 months in the UK and he missed his daughters birth - they wouldnt fly him home and told him tough luck. Squaddies in afghanistan get treated better than this!

I remember when my mrs was first pregnant, near the end, I told employer bollacks am I going to site 4 hours drive away!

[Magpie252]

In fact, didnt someone post not that long ago how they'd taken a permie role and then failed the 3 months probation and got the boot?

Not quite an agency, one of the big bob off-shore consultancies offered me a perm role, I turned them down.

The supposed story was I’d help them transfer an environment in to support, then move in to a permanent consulting role.

A colleague (recently unemployed, 1st contract, looking to go back perm) took them up at a much reduced rate, trained the off-shore staff in India to support the deployment & was canned for his trouble

[Eirikur]

Has anyone else had a technical interview with them? I started to get bored after 30 minutes and openly argued the toss over the last question, because it was a deliberate trick question.

Yes once I was expecting a call from the end client and some Indian guy form the agency called me, I didn't understand a word of what he was asking so I just hung up after 10 minutes and on another occasion they forwarded my CV and planned a phone interview with the end client and didn't bother to let me know anything about it, so I got called in the middle of a meeting for an interview.

[ChimpMaster]

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A colleague (recently unemployed, 1st contract, looking to go back perm) took them up at a much reduced rate, trained the off-shore staff in India to support the deployment & was canned for his trouble

do you get to keep the permie 100k package after that (post transition) and while away your time?

Nope as soon as they can they will find a pretext and get shot of you....

Exactly, this is the point - they will hire a permie consultant at good/market salary (say 100k) and then rape them for knowledge before getting rid of them. Contractors are treated much the same except that the rate is poor to begin with.

But then any professional worth their salt knows the relationship between peanuts and monkeys. It's just not worth working for these consultancies - the mode of operating is endemic in their culture.