From Quasi-contract to Full Contract

[northernladuk]

To be fair we should just encourage the poster to go for it.

A few months unemployed will teach him a hard lesson.

LOL... You are a tough woman SueEllen... and I love it!

[SueEllen]

LOL... You are a tough woman SueEllen... and I love it!

If people are determined not to listen and can't be bothered to do their research the only way they can be taught is the hard way.

[Gym beast]

I'm not aware of a BAD reason for wanting more money, unless your name is Bill Gates/Warren Buffet/Dalai Lama etc. But your earlier point is valid, they may call my bluff and just say, "ok, walk". But that's why I'm here; I want to ask those in the know before I go into battle.

Aren't we missing a point here. The key party in the arrangement is his employer... Has anyone even bothered to ask them if they may entertain this option. Bearing in mind one contractor has gone they are not exactly going to be jumping at the chance to make a permie a contractor.

I wouldn't be surprised if they pull their own handcuff as an excuse not to do this.

There is then the PSL. If he isn't on it he won't be able to go direct. He would have to go through an agent so taking a free cut of his mullah....

If the company gives in and lets him they have opened to door to everyone else bitching and moaning and wanting the same..

Also, even if the contract with your client ends you are still going to get paid aren't you? You are in employment so will have to bench it or they find you more work?

I hate this I want more money for no reason so I will be a contractor and do the same job situation. If you want good money, leave, take the risks and become a contractor. Typical permie attitude this.

[malvolio]

I'm not aware of a BAD reason for wanting more money,

I am. It's being expected to pay more money to people for doing the job they're already doing perfectly well, making me spend my time and money sorting out the changes and not getting anything in return at the end of it all .I'd probably accept your notice and then not go ahead with the contract; but then I'm a mean bugger.

[cojak]

I am. It's being expected to pay more money to people for doing the job they're already doing perfectly well, making me spend my time and money sorting out the changes and not getting anything in return at the end of it all .I'd probably accept your notice and then not go ahead with the contract; but then I'm a mean bugger.

I must say that I'm leaning towards SE and Mal on this one...

[Gym beast]

I am. It's being expected to pay more money to people for doing the job they're already doing perfectly well, making me spend my time and money sorting out the changes and not getting anything in return at the end of it all .I'd probably accept your notice and then not go ahead with the contract; but then I'm a mean bugger.

A true contractor would appreciate me striking a blow against underpayment.

I get the distinct feeling my 'contractor' mettle is being tested here.... what's next, someone tells me, "It's been decided. You're just not cut out for this game", and expects me to stagger back to Permie-la-land, tail tucked and teary-eyed?



Hate to break it to you all, but I was a contractor several times before the crisis.

(just a hint...unless you're about to jump off a diving board, don't hold your breath).

[TheFaQQer]

A true contractor would appreciate me striking a blow against underpayment.

Bollocks. A true contractor understands the difference between contracting and working for the same employer in the manner which led to the introduction of IR35 in the first place. Working for the same company as a disguised permie isn't contracting, as some true contractor have already tried to explain here.

I get the distinct feeling my 'contractor' mettle is being tested here.... what's next, someone tells me, "It's been decided. You're just not cut out for this game", and expects me to stagger back to Permie-la-land, tail tucked and teary-eyed?

I can't imagine that anyone here really gives a wet fart whether you move into contracting or not. However, there are some very good points in this thread which you should consider. For example, Mal has already given you some ideas on rate suggestions, and what many clients would respond. You have been given the best advice on whether to form a company or go umbrella you are likely to get round here.

It's not about testing your mettle by any means - sometimes people need a good smack to wake them up to the realities of this world. You don't have to listen to anything anyone says - it looks like you've already decided what you want to do, and will do it anyway.

Hate to break it to you all, but I was a contractor several times before the crisis.

Really? How did that work - being a contractor several times? Do you just mean that you did some contract work and then scurried back to the safety of a permie role, tail tucked and teary-eyed when that role finished? Hate to break it to you, but that isn't being "a contractor several times".

[northernladuk]

A true contractor would appreciate me striking a blow against underpayment.

You are being paid your worth to your company as you have a raft of benefits that a contractor does not. We are not over paid for no reason whatsoever. We take risk, run our own affairs, have no benefits. A true contractor knows that only a true permie earns a wage and then sits there and moans about how little he is underpaid.[/quote]

I get the distinct feeling my 'contractor' mettle is being tested here.... what's next, someone tells me, "It's been decided. You're just not cut out for this game", and expects me to stagger back to Permie-la-land, tail tucked and teary-eyed?

They don't need to tell you that... bearing in mind you have already done a couple of contracts and now you are permie I would say you are already there.

[malvolio]

Not sure that having 16 years freelance contracting work in senior roles up to Interim Head of IT means I'm not a true contractor and don't understand the economics of it all... Heigh ho

But that aside, nobody's trying to score points or belittle your efforts. The idea is to make sure you do actually know what you're getting in to and why it may not be the best idea you've ever had. If you don't want to listen, think that the advice given is either wrong or worthless* or believe that we are talking nonsense just for fun, then that's your decision.





*It isn't, of course, it's deadly serious. But where's the fun in that...

[warrenboon]

Hi all,

Currently in a "perm" role but with an onsite provider who has made no bones about us being laid off when their contract is up. However, THAT contract was recently renewed another 3 months, and needs SC (which I've got since working here). Headcount has recently been cut back to the bone, so the team's gone from about 10 guys to a hardcore of 4, one of whom just resigned his (actual) contract.

As I'm SC, what do you reckon the chances are of going contract with rates to match? Best way to do it I guess is to chat about resignation, got the war chest up to a good year and a half plus change if hits the fan.

Ta,

GB

If what you're trying to achieve here is more money for the same work, wouldn't the logical action be to ask for a pay rise? If they won't pay you more as a permanent employee, I wouldn't imagine they would pay you more as a contractor either...