Are UK companies allowed to offer visa sponsorships if there isn’t a skill shortage?

[malvolio]

I’m sorry, that’s just BS. After promising “tens of thousands” for years and low immigration post-Brexit, the vast majority of record numbers of millions of permanent immigrants (unlike EU immigrants, there ain’t a chance in hell of them going back) we’ve imported post Brexit has been on visas issued by the Home Office. The visa system was intentionally liberalised by the Tories post Brexit hiding behind the smoke and mirrors of promises made on immigration that they never intended to keep.

The Tories have been in power for 14 years, with the last many years with a huge majority in parliament (even though work visa policy does not need legislation).

If they wanted to limit immigration to only a handful of actually high skilled jobs (as opposed to nail salon managers and takeaway shops) that are experiencing a shortage of suitable candidates, they’d have done it by now.

I'm sorry bit that's more BS...

The visa system needs people to run it and people to police it. Both were largely dismantled by Mandleson's reform around increasing immigration for purely selfish political reasons.

Yes the Tories have failed to reverse that situation, which is why their promise of 10ok immigrant limits were always a propaganda soundbite (like so much of modern politics). Add to that the legion of Yooman Rites lawyers (Cherie Booth and Matrix Chambers ring any bells in that context?) and the arguably unnecessary embodiment of the ECHR into British Law and there we are.

What we lack is a politician of any party willing to take a cudgel to the problem (and several others, come to that) when all we have is careerist weaklings.

[sreed]

I'm sorry bit that's more BS...

The visa system needs people to run it and people to police it. Both were largely dismantled by Mandleson's reform around increasing immigration for purely selfish political reasons.

Yes the Tories have failed to reverse that situation, which is why their promise of 10ok immigrant limits were always a propaganda soundbite (like so much of modern politics). Add to that the legion of Yooman Rites lawyers (Cherie Booth and Matrix Chambers ring any bells in that context?) and the arguably unnecessary embodiment of the ECHR into British Law and there we are.

What we lack is a politician of any party willing to take a cudgel to the problem (and several others, come to that) when all we have is careerist weaklings.

None of what you’ve said above are aspects that Tory governments in power for 14 years, with a large majority for much of the second half, with a blank slate post Brexit, with weaklings such as Milliband, Corbin, etc. in opposition, couldn’t have addressed if they wanted to. And there was certainly no need to liberalise the visa system even further, like lowering salary thresholds, care worker visas, or reversing Cameron’s cancellation of the student to graduate work visa, which is now one of the most abused routes for permanent non-EU immigration from India, Nigeria, Pakistan, etc.

They made a deliberate choice to rub our faces in diversity while promising the opposite, and handsomely succeeded at it.

[gables]

That said I've seen a ton of 500 quid inside gigs in London, christ knows who is taking those but people do.

Well on very very basic simple money terms £500/day via an umbrella on an 18 day month (=216/year, would prefer 220) nets £5,451/month (Clarity calculator) to get the same net £5,471 from a permie role requires £95,000 salary (The Salary Calculator).

I have seen more £500/day roles than £95k, I also find securing a £500/day role easier and simpler that £95k roles.

Before you shoot me down I did say in very very simple money terms, meaning there are other considerations but I can see why people go for these roles.

[sreed]

Well on very very basic simple money terms £500/day via an umbrella on an 18 day month (=216/year, would prefer 220) nets £5,451/month (Clarity calculator) to get the same net £5,471 from a permie role requires £95,000 salary (The Salary Calculator).

I have seen more £500/day roles than £95k, I also find securing a £500/day role easier and simpler that £95k roles.

Before you shoot me down I did say in very very simple money terms, meaning there are other considerations but I can see why people go for these roles.

A ‘good income’, margin and cost of living are always subjective but I share this opinion.

Especially if you have a paid off house or a small mortgage, a double income household, and/or it’s a mostly-remote/hybrid role and you live in surrounding counties, a £500pd inside rate for a London gig might be attractive to a pool of candidates that is big enough for the agent to fill the position.

[WTFH]

What we lack is a politician of any party willing to take a cudgel to the problem (and several others, come to that) when all we have is careerist weaklings.

Totally agree: Tax off-shore earnings at 40% minimum. Put a tax on men who have more than 2 children. Tax the elderly if they live in a house with more bedrooms than people living there, or put them into accommodation that frees up housing for younger people who want to work but can't afford to live because of the housing situation. Go back to university grants for British children to study courses that could give them well-paying jobs.
Nationalise the water companies so that we have clean water in the future.
Reform the House of Commons such that members interests should prevent them from voting on subjects that would be financially beneficial to them, their family or whatever tax efficiency scheme they put their money in. They should also have to declare all earnings/savings/investments on- and off-shore along with tax returns before they become an MP and for several years after.
Make politicians responsible for their words and actions.
If you are found guilty of something that would get you sacked in any other job, then you should be sacked as an MP or member of the HoL.
There should be a maximum number of terms a politician can stand.
There should be a minimum age for entrance into the HoL - probably 60, and any new peers should be able to prove that they are honourable before they are allowed in.
If we're going to have a monarch signing off bills, giving out knighthoods, etc, then he/she should be expected to reject those that are not fit for purpose. If this cannot be done, then what is the point of them?

[gables]

A ‘good income’, margin and cost of living are always subjective but I share this opinion.

Especially if you have a paid off house or a small mortgage, a double income household, and/or it’s a mostly-remote/hybrid role and you live in surrounding counties, a £500pd inside rate for a London gig might be attractive to a pool of candidates that is big enough for the agent to fill the position.

Indeed, however, reading between your lines I get the impression 500/day or 95k doesn't cut it for London living. Which if correct leads me to ask if Londoners are all earning this and more?

[sreed]

Indeed, however, reading between your lines I get the impression 500/day or 95k doesn't cut it for London living. Which if correct leads me to ask if Londoners are all earning this and more?

From a quick google search, the average full time salary in Greater London is around 44k and median around 41k.

The average household income in Greater London seems to be just above 50k, didn’t see a median figure.

[CoolCat]

The NHS has Enterprise Architect roles advertised with "Applications from job seekers who require current Skilled worker sponsorship to work in the UK are welcome and will be considered alongside all other applications"

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The NHS has Enterprise Architect roles advertised with "Applications from job seekers who require current Skilled worker sponsorship to work in the UK are welcome and will be considered alongside all other applications"

The NHS are easily the most liberal visa sponsor among public sector employers. Over the past few years, they’ve been given a huge amount of flexibility to use as they please.

If you look at their job listings, only a small minority of roles don’t have the above CoS statement.

At least what you’ve shared is a skilled role. A bog standard Finance Officer role in an NHS trust, paying around 30k also says that they offer CoS. And that too in outer London!

https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/candidate/jo...uage=&page=282

[SussexSeagull]

None of what you’ve said above are aspects that Tory governments in power for 14 years, with a large majority for much of the second half, with a blank slate post Brexit, with weaklings such as Milliband, Corbin, etc. in opposition, couldn’t have addressed if they wanted to. And there was certainly no need to liberalise the visa system even further, like lowering salary thresholds, care worker visas, or reversing Cameron’s cancellation of the student to graduate work visa, which is now one of the most abused routes for permanent non-EU immigration from India, Nigeria, Pakistan, etc.

They made a deliberate choice to rub our faces in diversity while promising the opposite, and handsomely succeeded at it.

I don't think for a moment immigration over the last 14 years is an attempt to increase diversity. Foreign students more or less bankroll Higher Education now and anyone coming here to work has done so because business have given the impression they can't fill the role with anyone from this country (or more likely didn't want to pay someone the going wage to do it).

Immigration isn't a liberal masterplan. It is, like most things, driven by money.